Precisamente, Thane

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Post #63,132

by Ashton

11/15/02 5:52:03 PM

Precisamente, Thane

As [link|http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/uchistory/archives_exhibits/loyaltyoath/| here], re Prof. Ernst Cantorowitz and.. years of archaeology concerning '50s McCarthyism and, about the simple fact you state as well:

A coerced oath is invalid on its face.

Only dictators imagine otherwise - or require such for mere daily humiliation.

Anyone remotely literate, with functioning mind and a smattering of knowledge of human history - perceives this, prima facie - but.. none of the above is a prerequisite for holding office amidst non-voting terrified sheep.

A.

Pennsylvania passes "Pledge" bill - (Silverlock) - (61) - Nov. 15, 2002, 03:36:23 PM EST

Makes me even prouder of my daughter. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Nov. 15, 2002, 04:03:08 PM EST

Gotta say this - (Silverlock) - Nov. 16, 2002, 04:56:19 AM EST

Now if that story could travel the grapevine - (Ashton) - Nov. 16, 2002, 06:03:18 AM EST

Nail #666013 in the Coffin. - (Ashton) - (57) - Nov. 15, 2002, 04:26:46 PM EST

And the previous administration? - (wharris2) - Nov. 15, 2002, 04:43:19 PM EST

What if they take the.. - (bepatient) - (55) - Nov. 15, 2002, 04:46:06 PM EST

Just out of curiosity: Would that do it for you? -NT - (CRConrad) - (9) - Nov. 15, 2002, 04:50:19 PM EST

I don't see another... - (bepatient) - (8) - Nov. 15, 2002, 05:06:57 PM EST

The act of protesting - (imric) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2002, 05:24:41 PM EST

I suppose that - (bepatient) - Nov. 15, 2002, 05:33:07 PM EST

I'd agree 'over-reaction' if.. - (Ashton) - Nov. 15, 2002, 05:35:55 PM EST

Over reaction? - (deSitter) - Nov. 15, 2002, 09:03:37 PM EST

I agree - (Silverlock) - (2) - Nov. 16, 2002, 04:24:03 AM EST

Sure. - (bepatient) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2002, 08:22:14 AM EST

Possibly it is more significant now because of 'conditions' - (Ashton) - Nov. 16, 2002, 03:23:49 PM EST

Never mind the constitution... - (CRConrad) - Nov. 16, 2002, 07:00:57 PM EST

Here's my disagreement. - (inthane-chan) - (42) - Nov. 15, 2002, 05:11:12 PM EST

Precisamente, Thane - (Ashton) - Nov. 15, 2002, 05:52:03 PM EST

Ditto and more. - (Brandioch) - (40) - Nov. 15, 2002, 09:07:22 PM EST

Mere slothful thought + partisan Bible-thumping - I guess -NT - (Ashton) - (39) - Nov. 15, 2002, 09:50:41 PM EST

I'd guess similar. - (Brandioch) - (38) - Nov. 15, 2002, 10:53:58 PM EST

Both you and Ashton are reacting to the wrong thing - (Silverlock) - (4) - Nov. 16, 2002, 04:52:46 AM EST

I don't think so. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Nov. 16, 2002, 05:11:28 AM EST

Damn - (Silverlock) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2002, 05:49:23 AM EST

My objection. - (Brandioch) - Nov. 16, 2002, 05:31:10 PM EST

Oh,...the irony... - (jb4) - Nov. 20, 2002, 02:35:19 PM EST

A shameless barter.. - (Ashton) - (32) - Nov. 16, 2002, 05:47:40 AM EST

You got it. - (Brandioch) - (31) - Nov. 16, 2002, 05:40:29 PM EST

Tell ya what I find rilly *discouraging* about this thread - (Ashton) - (30) - Nov. 16, 2002, 08:21:44 PM EST

Ashton, are you arguing against automatic citizenship? - (wharris2) - (11) - Nov. 16, 2002, 08:51:28 PM EST

Ah, the traditional response. - (Brandioch) - Nov. 16, 2002, 09:23:21 PM EST

Believe in being as honest with my gov as they are with me\ufffd -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 16, 2002, 09:44:13 PM EST

where in the hell do you pledge alegiance to "someone"? - (boxley) - (8) - Nov. 16, 2002, 10:09:34 PM EST

What is the pledge? - (wharris2) - (7) - Nov. 17, 2002, 07:23:57 AM EST

Sorry my constitution doesnt deport citizens - (boxley) - Nov. 17, 2002, 09:08:25 AM EST

Why thats simple... - (bepatient) - (5) - Nov. 17, 2002, 03:07:06 PM EST

React early - or watch attention span wane via next Warz ads -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 17, 2002, 05:44:41 PM EST

Re: Why thats simple... - (wharris2) - (3) - Nov. 17, 2002, 06:51:00 PM EST

that was the Roman model - (boxley) - (2) - Nov. 17, 2002, 07:18:00 PM EST

Never had the option, here - (wharris2) - (1) - Nov. 17, 2002, 08:37:25 PM EST

that is the problem with military service being a prereq - (boxley) - Nov. 17, 2002, 09:14:25 PM EST

Because those oaths have worked. - (Brandioch) - (17) - Nov. 16, 2002, 09:07:59 PM EST

nit when did we ever breed for intelligence after slavery - (boxley) - (16) - Nov. 16, 2002, 10:11:30 PM EST

Many years ago. - (Brandioch) - (15) - Nov. 16, 2002, 11:41:10 PM EST

The link was broken way before that - (mhuber) - (14) - Nov. 18, 2002, 11:53:16 AM EST

Even more basic - - (Ashton) - Nov. 18, 2002, 03:54:10 PM EST

Evolution. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 18, 2002, 04:03:57 PM EST

You can't be serious, can you? - (Arkadiy) - (4) - Nov. 18, 2002, 04:37:12 PM EST

100% serious. - (mhuber) - (3) - Nov. 26, 2002, 02:32:00 AM EST

In that huge span - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Nov. 26, 2002, 11:12:14 AM EST

What advance in capabilities? - (mhuber) - (1) - Nov. 26, 2002, 01:24:50 PM EST

You're mixing 2 discussions here... - (Arkadiy) - Nov. 26, 2002, 01:35:58 PM EST

Can't find a reference right now... - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Nov. 18, 2002, 10:23:57 PM EST

are you implying meateaters are smarter - (boxley) - (5) - Nov. 18, 2002, 10:43:04 PM EST

Neither - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Nov. 18, 2002, 10:48:24 PM EST

Gould questioned that - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Nov. 18, 2002, 11:26:04 PM EST

If he wrote about it... - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Nov. 18, 2002, 11:45:07 PM EST

Overstated the case - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Nov. 19, 2002, 09:54:33 PM EST

That fits my recollection as well :-) -NT - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 19, 2002, 11:11:52 PM EST

Basically, No - (jb4) - (1) - Nov. 20, 2002, 02:27:22 PM EST

Yes - free speech is also the right to remain silent. -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 20, 2002, 05:04:53 PM EST

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