Post #58,712
10/23/02 7:51:17 AM
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Jabber Jabber
I've set up a Jabber server as an experiment in private, ad-free, administered-by-yours-truly instant messaging.
Point jabber clients at guildenstern.dyndns.org and get started.
My jabber id is peter@guildenstern.dyndns.org - add me to your roster once you're on.
Clients:
Windows: [link|http://winjab.sourceforge.net/|http://winjab.sourceforge.net/]
Linux: [link|http://gabber.sourceforge.net/|http://gabber.sourceforge.net/]
Mac: [link|http://jabbercentral.com/clients/view.php?id=960367145|http://jabbercentral....php?id=960367145]
OS/2: [link|http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/cgi-bin/h-viewer?sh=1&fname=/pub/os2/apps/internet/chat/jabber05.zip|http://hobbes.nmsu.e...chat/jabber05.zip]
Suggestions for alternative clients welcome. I can vouch for the goodness of the Windows and Linux clients, but am clueless about the OS/2 and Mac ones. Feedback would be good.
Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
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Post #58,723
10/23/02 8:23:50 AM
10/24/02 12:14:29 PM
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Ummm... I guess...
IT WORKS!!!
I guess, I *CAN* use Windows for something other than games and browsing... ;)
Guess you need this too:
gfolkert@guildenstern.dyndns.org
Edit: Thanks to Pete I have more work ahead now...
[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!!!]
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Hold Thumbprint to Screen for 5 seconds, we'll take the imprint, or
Just continue to type on your keyboard, and we'll just sample your DNA.
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Post #58,730
10/23/02 8:47:47 AM
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gnaaarrr Im in and up bwtf is it? A talk Window IWUnnerstan
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]
"Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane."
Lyndon LaRouche
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Post #58,781
10/23/02 10:45:50 AM
10/23/02 11:07:34 AM
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Fixed
Took my own advice, uninstalled and grabbed new packages. It's working now. I assume there's nobody else registered with the Local Jabber User Directory, because I can't find anyone else.
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Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978|Andrew Grygus]
Edited by drewk
Oct. 23, 2002, 11:07:34 AM EDT
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Post #58,785
10/23/02 10:55:41 AM
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Echoing type voice: "Use the source Drew."
Or at least the Source RPM and rebuild it from there...
Eet should verken iffen yew compil-a eet ahn dee boxen...
[link|http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gabber/gabber-0.8.7-1.src.rpm|The suerce erpee-ema]
[link|http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gabber/gabber-0.8.7.tar.gz|The reel-a suerce cewd]
[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!!!]
Your friendly Homeland Security Officer reminds:
Hold Thumbprint to Screen for 5 seconds, we'll take the imprint, or
Just continue to type on your keyboard, and we'll just sample your DNA.
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Post #58,799
10/23/02 11:16:43 AM
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Heh, tried that first
The configure script wouldn't run. The configure script uses a "missing" script to handle any missing files. The "missing" script was reporting that it couldn't find ... the "missing" script.
But as I mentioned in the edit above, a fresh set of packages worked. Why, I don't know.
===
Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978|Andrew Grygus]
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Post #58,801
10/23/02 11:17:51 AM
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I am.
scott@guildenstern.whatever.thingy.org
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #58,846
10/23/02 12:34:09 PM
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Peter, donna ferget...
jud = Jabber User Directory
private = Conferencing
Are those gonna be options or we not gonna have em? No biggy either way!
Now you know what Scott puts up with...
[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!!!]
Your friendly Homeland Security Officer reminds:
Hold Thumbprint to Screen for 5 seconds, we'll take the imprint, or
Just continue to type on your keyboard, and we'll just sample your DNA.
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Post #58,857
10/23/02 1:21:47 PM
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Re: Jabber Jabber
YendorMike@guildenstern.dyndns.org
-YendorMike
What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
- Jimmy Buffett, June 20, 2002, Tinley Park
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Post #58,893
10/23/02 2:50:53 PM
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tabbed interface?
OK, Jabber's nice and all, but it's YAIMC (Yet Another IM Client) and I've already got gaim that does that stuff for me.
On top of that, I can't find the "one window, tabbed interface" preference in Jabber. This is a "must-have" feature for me, because I'm not gonna go having umpteen Jabber windows scattered all about my desktop. I've been using Jabber for an hour or two now, and I've already got 4 chat windows plus the default "who's on" window. I've been through the prefs and didn't see it. Is someone out there less blind than I am? (Yes, I realize that part of this is the newness of the client and all, but I'd still prefer 1 to 2 even.)
Failing that, I also searched [link|http://gaim.sourceforge.net/|SourceForge] for a gaim Jabber plugin. Unfortunately, I couldn't find one. Anyone got a pointer?
Thanks.
-YendorMike
What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
- Jimmy Buffett, June 20, 2002, Tinley Park
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Post #58,897
10/23/02 2:54:09 PM
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while we're asking noob questions
Isn't part of the point to have one client for all the protocols? If so, how do I point this thing to ICQ or IRC?
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Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978|Andrew Grygus]
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Post #58,898
10/23/02 2:56:53 PM
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Jabber apparently has a hard time with AIM
Says so on their home page. Or somewhere else on their site. AOL likes to block Jabber servers. So while Jabber theoretically interacts with and "does" AIM, AOL blocks the individual servers. Therefore, Jabber cannot turn into my "all-in-one" IM client.
Hence my question about gaim (whereupon I've already set up 2 AIM IDs, 4 Y! IDs, and an ICQ ID).
-YendorMike
What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
- Jimmy Buffett, June 20, 2002, Tinley Park
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Post #58,899
10/23/02 3:02:57 PM
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Cargocult has to load the support on the server.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #58,901
10/23/02 3:12:19 PM
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That won't help...
...when AOL decides that they don't want his Jabber server talking with AIM and start blocking him on their end.
[link|http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym=AIUI&Find=Find|AIUI], the message you type (supposing you're using the AIM interface) goes from your machine to Peter's guildenstern to the AIM server to your intended non-IWETHEY recipient who is theoretically not using Peter's Jabber server. If AOL steps in the middle there and stops messages from Guildenstern being sent, then, well, it doesn't matter if Peter adds in AIM support on his end.
-YendorMike
What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
- Jimmy Buffett, June 20, 2002, Tinley Park
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Post #58,903
10/23/02 3:14:50 PM
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Re: Jabber apparently has a hard time with AIM
Load libjabber.so in the plugins thinger.
Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
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Post #58,905
10/23/02 3:19:25 PM
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Any chance of getting conferencing working on your server?
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #59,006
10/24/02 1:40:38 AM
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In progress.
Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
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Post #59,100
10/24/02 12:43:42 PM
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Tried everybuddy?
[link|http://www.everybuddy.com|One client, one world]
Okay, it works sometimes ;-)
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Post #58,900
10/23/02 3:09:05 PM
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Jabber out of the box
GAIM does jabber..the plugin comes with it: Q.
How do I use MSN, Yahoo, Jabber, IRC, Gadu-Gadu(GG), Napster, or Zephyr? A.
First load the plugin. Protocol plugins come with Gaim, so just go to the Plugins dialog (Tools->Plugins, or the Plugins button on the start screen) and then click "Load." The protocol plugins are named libprotocol.so, so MSN for instance is provided by libmsn.so, and Gadu-Gadu is provided by libgg.so.
After you have loaded the appropriate plugin, use the Account Editor (Tools->Accounts, or the Accounts button on the start screen) to add the account.
In 0.60 and latter, loading the plugin is not necessary, as protocols are automatically loaded as needed.
From [link|http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php#q9|http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php#q9] -----
Steve
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Post #58,904
10/23/02 3:16:57 PM
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Woot!
You da man.
And to think that I was looking outside for it when it was inside all along.
-YendorMike
What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
- Jimmy Buffett, June 20, 2002, Tinley Park
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Post #58,913
10/23/02 3:40:53 PM
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Looks like what I really want is Gaim
Time to go set it up.
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Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978|Andrew Grygus]
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Post #58,920
10/23/02 4:11:06 PM
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Didn't someone say GAIM had a windows port?
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
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Post #58,921
10/23/02 4:12:49 PM
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Dunno, but...
[link|http://gaim.sf.net|Gaim SF Page]
-YendorMike
What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
- Jimmy Buffett, June 20, 2002, Tinley Park
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Post #58,924
10/23/02 4:16:08 PM
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Boggle...
...I was just at their SF page and missed that entirely.
Wierd.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
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Post #58,976
10/23/02 8:23:01 PM
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Slow down.
The Gaim Jabber plugin doesn't have a way to point to a different server.
Wade.
"Ah. One of the difficult questions."
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Post #58,987
10/23/02 9:24:42 PM
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Revisited.
Whoops. I stand corrected (thanks Addison).
Enter @guildenstern.dyndns.org after your "name" in Screen Name and it will look on the correct server. :-)
Wade.
"Ah. One of the difficult questions."
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Post #58,861
10/23/02 1:27:51 PM
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Well...
I guess I'll try...I like trillian...there's no ads there...but we'll see about this Jabber client now.
You know what I'll come in under...should be there shortly.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #58,880
10/23/02 2:10:24 PM
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Re: Jabber Jabber
jlalexander@guildenstern.dyndns.org
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My pid is Inigo Montoya. You "killed -9" my parent process. Prepare to vi.
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Post #58,915
10/23/02 3:47:14 PM
10/23/02 3:49:38 PM
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Cool!
However, you didn't list a client for Mac OS X. (At least, the Mac client link you gave appears to be a pre-X version.)
I grabbed Fire, a free OS X messaging app that does AIM, Jabber, ICQ, etc.
Let me see if I can post the Versiontracker link:
[link|http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=8933&db=mac|Here it is..]
So far, it seems to work okay. However, iChat is built on top of the Jabber protocol so as soon as it can interoperate I'll switch from Fire.
Almost forgot...tjsinclair@guildenstern.dyndns.org
Tom Sinclair
"Everybody is someone else's weirdo."
- E. Dijkstra
Edited by tjsinclair
Oct. 23, 2002, 03:49:38 PM EDT
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Post #58,917
10/23/02 3:52:20 PM
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I'm in.
inthane-chan@ aformentioned server.
End of world rescheduled for day after tomorrow. Something should probably be done. Please advise.
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Post #58,923
10/23/02 4:14:58 PM
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me too....
slugbug@ aforementioned server....
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Post #58,993
10/23/02 10:59:10 PM
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Forget the OS/2 client
Not been touched since 1999? You shouldn't have bothered to list it, Peter. That alone tells me all I need to know.
And after downloading and unzipping, I've found out that it's totally useless. There's absolutely no documentation that can be understood by anyone other than a programmer, which I'm not.
An alpha of an alpha is about how I'd rate it. *puke*
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Post #59,023
10/24/02 6:09:16 AM
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All I get so far is 'Not Acceptable'. OK, Peter hates me :)
Any clue as to what can lead to a 'Not Acceptable' error? I'm using an Alpha version of an OS X clinet, called [link|http://jabberfox.sourceforge.net/download.php|JabberFoX] which might explain things.
John. Busy lad.
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Post #59,025
10/24/02 7:13:57 AM
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Er.
Dunno.
Mac OS X is a closed book to me. I've had a quick go in PC world and gone "ooh" at the big icons in the dock, and that's about my lot.
Two things I'd do.
Firstly, see if there's some means of viewing the XML stream between your machine and the server. Many clients have a "debug" option of some sort.
Secondly, try another client and see if you get the same error.
[link|http://www.jabbercentral.org|http://www.jabbercentral.org] has a decent list of clients for all sorts of operating systems.
Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
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Post #59,062
10/24/02 11:04:11 AM
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Hey Peter,
..could you narrow down the choice of Windows clients from 3 billion to 50 or 60? Can I use the "Chat" feature in Windows? Your suggestions appreciated.
-drl
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Post #59,070
10/24/02 11:33:53 AM
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Re: Hey Peter,
Choice 1: Winjab.
Choice 2: Rival3.
One of those will do you.
Go to [link|http://www.jabbercentral.com|http://www.jabbercentral.com] and Use the "clients" page to find them.
Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
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Post #59,082
10/24/02 12:01:14 PM
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Re: Hey Peter,
OK what next? How to see who's who?
-drl
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Post #59,087
10/24/02 12:07:19 PM
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Conferencing!
As I type this, there's a bunch of people yacking away at the following conference:
ziwt@conference.guildenstern.dyndns.org
(No, that's not an email address and no, you can't tunnel jabber over SMTP...yet)
Plug that into what ever option you have in your client for joining a group chat/conference.
Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
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Post #59,115
10/24/02 1:27:18 PM
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Doesn't work.
I just sit there with '0 Members' on the screen.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #59,117
10/24/02 1:31:12 PM
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Re: Doesn't work.
I think someone has to invite you. Try to chat with peter@guildenstern.dyndns.org
-drl
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Post #59,118
10/24/02 1:31:21 PM
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And I'll thank you ...
to keep your member off the screen.
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Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978|Andrew Grygus]
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Post #59,474
10/25/02 4:08:50 PM
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His name is ANDERSON... not...
JOHNSON...
[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!!!]
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Post #59,059
10/24/02 11:00:29 AM
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Try using Fire
It's a nice multi-service client and free. So far it's not giving me problems.
Tom Sinclair
"Everybody is someone else's weirdo."
- E. Dijkstra
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Post #59,207
10/24/02 5:16:01 PM
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What is the password when I create new user name?
--
We have only 2 things to worry about: That
things will never get back to normal, and that they already have.
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Post #59,209
10/24/02 5:17:45 PM
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Pick one. It's your own.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #59,213
10/24/02 5:42:30 PM
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Gaim says "unauthorized"
--
We have only 2 things to worry about: That
things will never get back to normal, and that they already have.
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Post #59,226
10/24/02 6:31:47 PM
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Re: Gaim says "unauthorized"
When you create your account, be sure that you're connected to guildenstern.dyndns.org.
Also be sure to use a JID of (in your case) arkadiy@guildenstern.dyndns.org.
Feel free to mail me at peter@mirrorshades.org, peter@guildenstern.dyndns.org, peter.whysall@ntlworld.com or pwhysall@technology.serco.com, if you still get no hot Jabber lovin'.
Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
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Post #59,263
10/24/02 9:06:52 PM
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Re: Gaim says "unauthorized"
Feel free to mail me at peter@mirrorshades.org, peter@guildenstern.dyndns.org, peter.whysall@ntlworld.com or pwhysall@technology.serco.com, if you still get no hot Jabber lovin'. <voiceover>And here, we see the BOFH, cornered by a non-working system. In defense, he rolls out his long list of Email addresses, attempting to divert the attacker's attention from the question at hand...</voiceover> -YendorMike
What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
- Jimmy Buffett, June 20, 2002, Tinley Park
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Post #59,369
10/25/02 8:32:53 AM
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And here we have ...
... a narrator completely missing the obvious play on the term "hot Jabber lovin'".
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Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978|Andrew Grygus]
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Post #59,484
10/25/02 5:00:53 PM
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Had to install gabber
Once the account was established, it works in GAIM
--
We have only 2 things to worry about: That
things will never get back to normal, and that they already have.
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Post #59,354
10/25/02 3:26:04 AM
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First Post!
karsten@guildenstern.dyndns.org
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What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
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