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When you start cracking down on who has the "right" reasons for owning a gun, you hit an impossible assessment.

So, rather than determine who has the "right" reasons, just don't bother with it.

The people have the right to own guns.

This right is so that we can form a militia when necessary. (in case of invasion or governmental incursions).

Some people will have guns for this reason, some will have them because they like them, some will have them because of the feeling of power.

But they will all have the right own them.

Even someone who just likes guns MAY be able to help if we're invaded.

Someone who likes the feeling of power MAY be able to stand against a Fascist government.

The POTENTIAL is there.

BUT, when you remove the weapons, you also remove that potential.

Err on the side of the rights of the people.
New 'Bowling for Columbine'
Michael Moore's new movie - from the review I read, seems to be a jaundiced view of our cockamamie erotic relationship with Guns and the 11,000 offed last year by those. Isn't that about 1/5th the amount from cars - essential transport? I plan to see it, even though MM doesn't pretend to have made an academic 'documentary' (and I doubt anyone but a furriner could - and we still wouldn't listen).

Lesser of two evils then, again {sigh}: I will concede that widespread ownership by the frequently testosterone-crazed, many with very bad manners to go with their personal arsenal - still trumps any (effective means of) total confiscation of privately owned weapons.

This I'd agree, today: such as we are [sick] and - such as is the trend of recent governments and their perverse interest in growing Corporate power over citizen power.

So.. should I find self needing to join some next barricades, I'll bring along my previous marksmanship skills - right alongside hunter Joe-Bob and his collection of heads of small --> large furry mammals on the Den wall.

(Tomorrow, when there are All New People - I'd press on towards adulthood and the crushing of most of these weapons, as they are seen to be both unneeded and indictive of a pre-civil society, hooked on violence as 'recreation'.)

WTF - it beats Sam Walton as my new CIEIO / F\ufffdhrer, Bally as Treasurer and Rev Foulwell as Sinister of Propaganda.



Ashton Reluctant Sniper
but still preferable to Willing Sheep
     Ammuntion Control - (deSitter) - (111)
         No way. - (Brandioch) - (22)
             Guns don't kill people! - (ChrisR) - (2)
                 Re: Guns don't kill people! - (deSitter) - (1)
                     Not "unrestricted". - (Brandioch)
             Re: No way. - (deSitter) - (18)
                 if they're criminals to begin with - (SpiceWare) - (17)
                     Fine - (deSitter) - (16)
                         People will horde ammo. - (Brandioch) - (15)
                             Re: People will horde ammo. - (deSitter) - (14)
                                 Getting too complicated. - (Brandioch) - (13)
                                     Re: Getting too complicated. - (deSitter) - (12)
                                         Just making the point. - (Brandioch) - (11)
                                             If you lend someone your car.. - (deSitter) - (10)
                                                 Correct that analogy. - (Brandioch) - (9)
                                                     Re: Correct that analogy. - (deSitter) - (8)
                                                         Which brings back the car analogy. - (Brandioch) - (7)
                                                             Re: Which brings back the car analogy. - (deSitter) - (5)
                                                                 You've fallen for the classic error of law enforcement. - (Brandioch) - (4)
                                                                     I haven't fallen for shit, I'm too drunk to argue tonight - (deSitter) - (3)
                                                                         Re: I haven't fallen <--- YET! :-) -NT - (Steve Lowe)
                                                                         know yer snot!!! -NT - (boxley)
                                                                         "Am I droonk, or am I droonk?" - Lister -NT - (inthane-chan)
                                                             Another possible analogy... - (jb4)
         How nice. You trust the US Government! - (imric) - (7)
             Re: How nice. You trust the US Government! - (deSitter) - (5)
                 I like the car analogy. - (Brandioch)
                 I know - that's what surprised me! - (imric) - (1)
                     Mega dittos. - (Brandioch)
                 Yeah, like I'm going to have the proof-of-purchase... - (jb4) - (1)
                     saving receipts - (wharris2)
             I'm coming around.. __terminal-madness is contagious - (Ashton)
         Problems... - (Yendor) - (7)
             Re: Problems... - (deSitter) - (6)
                 Addendum - (deSitter) - (2)
                     Lead and aluminum foil lined - (imric) - (1)
                         Didn't know that Major League Baseball has any satellites! -NT - (jbrabeck)
                 But - (imric) - (2)
                     Consider the consequences. - (Brandioch) - (1)
                         Yup - buildin new for-profit jails for non-perps R Us 2002 -NT - (Ashton)
         Oh, what a wonderful market this will be . . - (Andrew Grygus)
         Well I'm Damned! - (deSitter) - (9)
             Don't need extra marker metals in bullets... - (gdaustin) - (8)
                 Re: Don't need extra marker metals in bullets... - (Yendor)
                 Re: Don't need extra marker metals in bullets... - (deSitter) - (6)
                     Re: Don't need extra marker metals in bullets... - (neelk) - (5)
                         Er, Huh? - (deSitter) - (4)
                             Catch 22 built-in - (Ashton) - (1)
                                 Exactly. - (Brandioch)
                             Re: Er, Huh? - (neelk) - (1)
                                 Re: Er, Huh? - (deSitter)
         pry slug from end of bullet install molten lead shoot -NT - (boxley) - (57)
             Re: pry slug from end of bullet install molten lead shoot - (deSitter) - (56)
                 how did yer granpap make minnie balls? - (boxley) - (55)
                     Re: how did yer granpap make minnie balls? - (deSitter) - (54)
                         then you agree that marking the slug is useless -NT - (boxley) - (53)
                             No Sir, I sure don't - (deSitter) - (52)
                                 ya mean bad guys are too dumb to replace the slug? - (boxley) - (51)
                                     Re: ya mean bad guys are too dumb to replace the slug? - (deSitter) - (50)
                                         better garret than ford my friend :-) manyana -NT - (boxley) - (49)
                                             OK Where were we? - (deSitter) - (48)
                                                 if ya cant trace it it is usueless feel good law - (boxley) - (47)
                                                     Worse. - (Brandioch) - (46)
                                                         Compromise - (deSitter) - (45)
                                                             Re: Compromise - (Yendor)
                                                             The errosion of rights. - (Brandioch) - (43)
                                                                 So, - (deSitter) - (42)
                                                                     Err... - (Yendor) - (41)
                                                                         You forget: PATRIOT nullified all the good parts. QED -NT - (Ashton)
                                                                         Re: Err... - (deSitter) - (20)
                                                                             Shall not be infringed? - (imric) - (10)
                                                                                 That right is self-evident also - (Ashton)
                                                                                 yup in the part that states - (boxley)
                                                                                 Re: Shall not be infringed? - (deSitter) - (7)
                                                                                     Re: Shall not be infringed? - (Yendor) - (1)
                                                                                         To the Poles! - (deSitter)
                                                                                     You call it a privilege, the Constitution calls it a right. - (Brandioch) - (4)
                                                                                         Re: You call it a privilege, the Constitution calls it - (deSitter) - (3)
                                                                                             I agree that was their vision. - (Ashton)
                                                                                             Then get it repealed. - (imric)
                                                                                             Then have it changed. - (Brandioch)
                                                                             It's specifically stated. - (Brandioch) - (8)
                                                                                 Re: It's specifically stated. - (deSitter) - (7)
                                                                                     Re: It's specifically stated. - (Yendor) - (1)
                                                                                         Re: It's specifically stated. - (deSitter)
                                                                                     Can we all read the law? - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                                                                         That interpretation - (imric) - (1)
                                                                                             Not to mention... - (Yendor)
                                                                                         I read that and I don't get what you claim. - (Brandioch) - (1)
                                                                                             Simpler form. - (mmoffitt)
                                                                         You missed the important bit - (pwhysall) - (18)
                                                                             Re: You missed the important bit - (Yendor) - (11)
                                                                                 Re: You missed the important bit - (deSitter) - (10)
                                                                                     Resistance is Futile! Submit! -NT - (imric)
                                                                                     Re: You missed the important bit - (Yendor) - (8)
                                                                                         Re: You missed the important bit - (deSitter) - (7)
                                                                                             Resistance is Futile! Submit! - (imric)
                                                                                             They can kill us, but they can't conquer us. - (Brandioch) - (5)
                                                                                                 I Claim the Law of 8! -NT - (deSitter) - (4)
                                                                                                     Ok book. Sucky movie. -NT - (inthane-chan) - (3)
                                                                                                         David Brin Liked The Movie - Neener -NT - (deSitter) - (2)
                                                                                                             Brin thought it worked out as well as it could. - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                                                                                                 I liked it.. - (deSitter)
                                                                             Troublemaker.. yeah that part just doesn't get scanned.. - (Ashton) - (5)
                                                                                 Militia. - (imric) - (4)
                                                                                     OK maybe - but disingenuous. - (Ashton) - (3)
                                                                                         Don't care why people buy em. - (imric)
                                                                                         Doesn't matter, and can't be verified. - (Brandioch) - (1)
                                                                                             'Bowling for Columbine' - (Ashton)
         If I had a gun - (orion) - (2)
             Re: If I had a gun - (deSitter)
             If you fill out the forms truthfully you wouldnt be allowed - (boxley)

is there more coffee... can I have another cup... you wanna cup I can make some more... I have alot... I mean I have this pot here... but its almost gone and its been sitting there for 10 minutes anyway... I should make more... did I ask if you needed coffee??? do you??? need coffee I mean...
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