Troublemaker.. yeah that part just doesn't get scanned..

Post #57,613 by Ashton 10/18/02 5:11:44 PM Reply	Troublemaker.. yeah that part just doesn't get scanned.. It's so bloody inconvenient - for being the introductory clause and all. Maybe a lot like the Indian rope trick; nobody pays attention to the small attached string from the ceiling because they so much want to Believe. S'OK though - millions of obfuscatory words have already been created on this topic, like the Bible: explaining what they Really meant, and just didn't know how to say it. Zzzzzzzzz
Post #57,691 by imric 10/18/02 8:32:07 PM Reply	Militia. mi\ufffdli\ufffdtia n. An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers. A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency. The whole body of physically fit civilians eligible by law for military service. Not a collective right to be a servant of the state. It is a right "of the people". Think Lexington and Concord. If the people can't keep guns, then the right to be in a militia is abridged. Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #57,727 by Ashton 10/18/02 9:55:53 PM Reply	OK maybe - but disingenuous. The argument for individual ownership remains to be presumed under the "rights not specifically enumerated.." clause. De facto - we haven't the foggiest what % of gun purchases have the slightest relationship ['cept spin] to 'protecting self from the next / or present fascist government'. Most purchases, I aver: are about Liking things that make noise + all that Power in Your hand\ufffd. It's a testosterone, image/ad thing and more often of late - it's about 'protection' from neighbors (vicious or wanna-be robbers) not govt. (We know why the bad-guys want them) As to Aux Barricades! Mon Freres - at the point where the HomeLand Gestapo starts wearing shiny boots? I don't think the 'consumers' have the guts or the gumption; most will 'adapt-to' lost-freedom by lost-freedom. As in the near unanimous passing of PATRIOT. Belly-ache a bit then go docilely; comfort is our Major Drug of choice. All Gun discussions are therefore - disingenuous word-play, on a par with The Ontological Proof of Jesus [with-dismissal-of all the other Contenders: 'logically' of course]. cha cha cha Ashton now a glass bottle of 'phlogiston' .. merely thrown
Post #57,748 by imric 10/18/02 11:10:19 PM Reply	Don't care why people buy em. As long as they can have them when it counts. There is nothing disingenious about that. Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #57,768 by Brandioch 10/19/02 12:24:06 AM Reply	Doesn't matter, and can't be verified. When you start cracking down on who has the "right" reasons for owning a gun, you hit an impossible assessment. So, rather than determine who has the "right" reasons, just don't bother with it. The people have the right to own guns. This right is so that we can form a militia when necessary. (in case of invasion or governmental incursions). Some people will have guns for this reason, some will have them because they like them, some will have them because of the feeling of power. But they will all have the right own them. Even someone who just likes guns MAY be able to help if we're invaded. Someone who likes the feeling of power MAY be able to stand against a Fascist government. The POTENTIAL is there. BUT, when you remove the weapons, you also remove that potential. Err on the side of the rights of the people.
Post #57,790 by Ashton 10/19/02 4:18:04 AM Reply	'Bowling for Columbine' Michael Moore's new movie - from the review I read, seems to be a jaundiced view of our cockamamie erotic relationship with Guns and the 11,000 offed last year by those. Isn't that about 1/5th the amount from cars - essential transport? I plan to see it, even though MM doesn't pretend to have made an academic 'documentary' (and I doubt anyone but a furriner could - and we still wouldn't listen). Lesser of two evils then, again {sigh}: I will concede that widespread ownership by the frequently testosterone-crazed, many with very bad manners to go with their personal arsenal - still trumps any (effective means of) total confiscation of privately owned weapons. This I'd agree, today: such as we are [sick] and - such as is the trend of recent governments and their perverse interest in growing Corporate power over citizen power. So.. should I find self needing to join some next barricades, I'll bring along my previous marksmanship skills - right alongside hunter Joe-Bob and his collection of heads of small --> large furry mammals on the Den wall. (Tomorrow, when there are All New People - I'd press on towards adulthood and the crushing of most of these weapons, as they are seen to be both unneeded and indictive of a pre-civil society, hooked on violence as 'recreation'.) WTF - it beats Sam Walton as my new CIEIO / F\ufffdhrer, Bally as Treasurer and Rev Foulwell as Sinister of Propaganda. Ashton Reluctant Sniper but still preferable to Willing Sheep

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