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Post #57,059 by Yendor 10/15/02 7:47:16 PM Reply	Problems... I'm against gun control in all forms, until there is a Constitutional amendment to the contrary. So basically, you're for it, but it's not currently allowed. So let's see if you can come up with a variation on the theme that'll have the same effect. The "DRL loophole" so to speak. Now that that's over, on to the problems in your proposal. 1) In Vermont, gun ownership is completely unrestricted. Never have been any gun ownership restrictions in Vermont. Ever. [1] Good luck instituting some. 2) It's legal to make your own rounds. I have a few friends who do so. Would you outlaw this practice, even though the people I know who manufacture their own rounds do so completely legally? f) Submit to a background check and waiting period. 3) A background check is already mandatory for purchasing a gun in the US. Why require a second to purchase ammunition? 3a) A waiting period is already mandatory for purchasing a gun in the US. It's called the Brady Bill. And it doesn't work. [2] [1] [link\|http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0226493644/qid=1034724811/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-3384823-7338250?v=glance&n=507846\|More Guns, Less Crime] by John R. Lott, Jr. Second Edition. Page 89. [2] [link\|http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0226493644/qid=1034724811/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-3384823-7338250?v=glance&n=507846\|More Guns, Less Crime] by John R. Lott, Jr. Second Edition. Page 91. To quote: The evidence...indicates that the Brady law has been associated with significant increases in rapes and aggravated assaults, and the declines in murder and robbery have been statistically insignificant. All the other gun-control laws examined...were also controlled for..., but because their estimated impacts were essentially unchanged, they are not reported. -YendorMike What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about? - Jimmy Buffett, June 20, 2002, Tinley Park
Post #57,072 by deSitter 10/15/02 8:22:50 PM Reply	Re: Problems... No, I am adamantly NOT for gun control. I'm not for drug control, sex control, video game control, ad inf. I'm for 1) Civilized behavior 2) Laser beam law enforcement AFTER the fact of a bad act, not BEFORE. 3) Strict adherence to the documents that define our government. I am AGAINST gun control. I am FOR finding bad guys. -drl
Post #57,073 by deSitter 10/15/02 8:28:50 PM Reply	Addendum I think hats are civilized. I wear a hat. If more people wore hats, it would be a better world. -drl
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Post #57,080 by imric 10/15/02 9:06:28 PM Reply	But the effect of your proposal is the same as gun control. It restricts the lawful, and requires not only gun registration, but ammunition (a disposable commodity!) registration, as well. Presumably, making your own ammo would become illegal (as well as sharing ammo with friends). This wouldn't stop it from occurring, though, for unlawful purposes - heck, it would probably CREATE a black market in unregistered ammo. In other words, criminals would still have guns and ammunition, while lawful citizens would be restricted and inconvenienced - effectively, punished for obeying the law. 'Ammo control' is just like gun control, AFAICS. Further, it depends on the registration of every gun in the country - which is just a precursor to taking them away. Gun 'control'. I am all for dire punishment of crimes committed with guns, but taking away guns (which is what ammo restriction would do) from law-abiding citizens isn't going to help. Taking away a specific component of a gun (the ammunition required to keep a gun from just being a conversation piece) is the same - and I can't trust our government to stop with 'simple' registration/traceability of ammunition (even if it DID manage to stomp out those that load thier own ammo, and - for the first time ever - kill a black-market) - after all, that wouldn't PREVENT crimes committed with guns. Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #57,103 by Brandioch 10/15/02 10:54:56 PM Reply	Consider the consequences. Even if the government managed to lock down ALL the illegal ammo manufacturing. That would simply drive up the price of the ammo to the point where stealing it from the private citizens would become cost effective. Or hijacking the ammo shipments (they have to ship it somehow). Or robbing the gun shops. Think Prohibition and Al Capone. And THAT was just about wine and beer and such. Enforce the laws we have. The REAL problem we have is that the judicial system is flooded with "criminals" from the "war on drugs". Again, we haven't learned a single lesson from our Prohibition experiment.
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