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New I know - that's what surprised me!
The whole gun-control-nut position is based on pro-active law enforcement... Punishing folk that MIGHT POTENTIALLY commit a crime.

This is exactly what I'm most against.

Good to hear!
Hell no - it'd be local, like vehicle registration etc. Cars have a lot of strings because they're dangerous.


Aye - but you can't use a car in self defense (well, unless there are VERY strange circumstances) - nor is the government actively interested in taking away cars from all law-abiding citizens.

Registering guns has been, historically in this country, a precursor to draconian gun-control - if the government knows where they are, they WILL take them away.

OK, I'll admit this is possible, so I'll say, you must prove you own a gun that matches the ammo you're buying. If this means physically bringing in proof of purchase, so be it. Lose the proof, lose the ability to fire it. I'll go farther, and insist that a test-firing of said gun be done to record its unique rifle tracing for later ballistic analysis if needed.


THIS, I don't understand - you agree that it's possible that the registration of weapons may (hell, IS, IMO) be the precursor to taking said weapons away from law-abiding citizens, but then basically say 'So what? It should be done anyway, it should be tougher to get ammo to be used in the gun - to the point where the gun is useless unless it's registered... And how you get around buddies sharing ammo is a mystery to me. Again, the only way I can reconcile "This is exactly what I'm most against" with the above is if you believe that the government can, and should be trusted implicitly never to abuse it's control of it's citizen's property or rights.

Personally, I simply don't trust our politicians. "He who seeks power is the one least worthy of wielding it" - and our government is by definition filled to a man with those that seek power.

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  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Seeing as how we have the right to bear arms JUST TO KEEP THE GOVERNMENT HONEST....

How does it follow that the GOVERNMENT is the one to determine who has the right to bear arms?
     Ammuntion Control - (deSitter) - (111)
         No way. - (Brandioch) - (22)
             Guns don't kill people! - (ChrisR) - (2)
                 Re: Guns don't kill people! - (deSitter) - (1)
                     Not "unrestricted". - (Brandioch)
             Re: No way. - (deSitter) - (18)
                 if they're criminals to begin with - (SpiceWare) - (17)
                     Fine - (deSitter) - (16)
                         People will horde ammo. - (Brandioch) - (15)
                             Re: People will horde ammo. - (deSitter) - (14)
                                 Getting too complicated. - (Brandioch) - (13)
                                     Re: Getting too complicated. - (deSitter) - (12)
                                         Just making the point. - (Brandioch) - (11)
                                             If you lend someone your car.. - (deSitter) - (10)
                                                 Correct that analogy. - (Brandioch) - (9)
                                                     Re: Correct that analogy. - (deSitter) - (8)
                                                         Which brings back the car analogy. - (Brandioch) - (7)
                                                             Re: Which brings back the car analogy. - (deSitter) - (5)
                                                                 You've fallen for the classic error of law enforcement. - (Brandioch) - (4)
                                                                     I haven't fallen for shit, I'm too drunk to argue tonight - (deSitter) - (3)
                                                                         Re: I haven't fallen <--- YET! :-) -NT - (Steve Lowe)
                                                                         know yer snot!!! -NT - (boxley)
                                                                         "Am I droonk, or am I droonk?" - Lister -NT - (inthane-chan)
                                                             Another possible analogy... - (jb4)
         How nice. You trust the US Government! - (imric) - (7)
             Re: How nice. You trust the US Government! - (deSitter) - (5)
                 I like the car analogy. - (Brandioch)
                 I know - that's what surprised me! - (imric) - (1)
                     Mega dittos. - (Brandioch)
                 Yeah, like I'm going to have the proof-of-purchase... - (jb4) - (1)
                     saving receipts - (wharris2)
             I'm coming around.. __terminal-madness is contagious - (Ashton)
         Problems... - (Yendor) - (7)
             Re: Problems... - (deSitter) - (6)
                 Addendum - (deSitter) - (2)
                     Lead and aluminum foil lined - (imric) - (1)
                         Didn't know that Major League Baseball has any satellites! -NT - (jbrabeck)
                 But - (imric) - (2)
                     Consider the consequences. - (Brandioch) - (1)
                         Yup - buildin new for-profit jails for non-perps R Us 2002 -NT - (Ashton)
         Oh, what a wonderful market this will be . . - (Andrew Grygus)
         Well I'm Damned! - (deSitter) - (9)
             Don't need extra marker metals in bullets... - (gdaustin) - (8)
                 Re: Don't need extra marker metals in bullets... - (Yendor)
                 Re: Don't need extra marker metals in bullets... - (deSitter) - (6)
                     Re: Don't need extra marker metals in bullets... - (neelk) - (5)
                         Er, Huh? - (deSitter) - (4)
                             Catch 22 built-in - (Ashton) - (1)
                                 Exactly. - (Brandioch)
                             Re: Er, Huh? - (neelk) - (1)
                                 Re: Er, Huh? - (deSitter)
         pry slug from end of bullet install molten lead shoot -NT - (boxley) - (57)
             Re: pry slug from end of bullet install molten lead shoot - (deSitter) - (56)
                 how did yer granpap make minnie balls? - (boxley) - (55)
                     Re: how did yer granpap make minnie balls? - (deSitter) - (54)
                         then you agree that marking the slug is useless -NT - (boxley) - (53)
                             No Sir, I sure don't - (deSitter) - (52)
                                 ya mean bad guys are too dumb to replace the slug? - (boxley) - (51)
                                     Re: ya mean bad guys are too dumb to replace the slug? - (deSitter) - (50)
                                         better garret than ford my friend :-) manyana -NT - (boxley) - (49)
                                             OK Where were we? - (deSitter) - (48)
                                                 if ya cant trace it it is usueless feel good law - (boxley) - (47)
                                                     Worse. - (Brandioch) - (46)
                                                         Compromise - (deSitter) - (45)
                                                             Re: Compromise - (Yendor)
                                                             The errosion of rights. - (Brandioch) - (43)
                                                                 So, - (deSitter) - (42)
                                                                     Err... - (Yendor) - (41)
                                                                         You forget: PATRIOT nullified all the good parts. QED -NT - (Ashton)
                                                                         Re: Err... - (deSitter) - (20)
                                                                             Shall not be infringed? - (imric) - (10)
                                                                                 That right is self-evident also - (Ashton)
                                                                                 yup in the part that states - (boxley)
                                                                                 Re: Shall not be infringed? - (deSitter) - (7)
                                                                                     Re: Shall not be infringed? - (Yendor) - (1)
                                                                                         To the Poles! - (deSitter)
                                                                                     You call it a privilege, the Constitution calls it a right. - (Brandioch) - (4)
                                                                                         Re: You call it a privilege, the Constitution calls it - (deSitter) - (3)
                                                                                             I agree that was their vision. - (Ashton)
                                                                                             Then get it repealed. - (imric)
                                                                                             Then have it changed. - (Brandioch)
                                                                             It's specifically stated. - (Brandioch) - (8)
                                                                                 Re: It's specifically stated. - (deSitter) - (7)
                                                                                     Re: It's specifically stated. - (Yendor) - (1)
                                                                                         Re: It's specifically stated. - (deSitter)
                                                                                     Can we all read the law? - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                                                                         That interpretation - (imric) - (1)
                                                                                             Not to mention... - (Yendor)
                                                                                         I read that and I don't get what you claim. - (Brandioch) - (1)
                                                                                             Simpler form. - (mmoffitt)
                                                                         You missed the important bit - (pwhysall) - (18)
                                                                             Re: You missed the important bit - (Yendor) - (11)
                                                                                 Re: You missed the important bit - (deSitter) - (10)
                                                                                     Resistance is Futile! Submit! -NT - (imric)
                                                                                     Re: You missed the important bit - (Yendor) - (8)
                                                                                         Re: You missed the important bit - (deSitter) - (7)
                                                                                             Resistance is Futile! Submit! - (imric)
                                                                                             They can kill us, but they can't conquer us. - (Brandioch) - (5)
                                                                                                 I Claim the Law of 8! -NT - (deSitter) - (4)
                                                                                                     Ok book. Sucky movie. -NT - (inthane-chan) - (3)
                                                                                                         David Brin Liked The Movie - Neener -NT - (deSitter) - (2)
                                                                                                             Brin thought it worked out as well as it could. - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                                                                                                 I liked it.. - (deSitter)
                                                                             Troublemaker.. yeah that part just doesn't get scanned.. - (Ashton) - (5)
                                                                                 Militia. - (imric) - (4)
                                                                                     OK maybe - but disingenuous. - (Ashton) - (3)
                                                                                         Don't care why people buy em. - (imric)
                                                                                         Doesn't matter, and can't be verified. - (Brandioch) - (1)
                                                                                             'Bowling for Columbine' - (Ashton)
         If I had a gun - (orion) - (2)
             Re: If I had a gun - (deSitter)
             If you fill out the forms truthfully you wouldnt be allowed - (boxley)

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