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New more undead horse oughta change his name to Jane
get rid of his old lady and hookup with the ex turner broad.
[link|http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2002/10/5/120619|what an asshole, could be presidential even if he tried]
"In a naked attempt to pit Prime Minister Blair against the Bush White House, Clinton made it clear to the Blackpool conference that he was counting on British leadership to put the brakes on Bush's preemptive strike policy towards Iraq.
"Weighing the risks and making the calls are what we elect leaders to do, and I can tell you that as an American, and a citizen of the world, I am glad that Tony Blair will be central to weighing the risks and making the call," the top Democrat told the Labourites."

time for this asshole to take up his citizenship of the world somewhere else, maybe the Ivory Coast

"Then, in one of the uglier moments of his speech, the former U.S. president indicated that he still believed President Bush's 2000 election was illegitimate, complaining sarcastically, "The election was so close in America that they won it fair and square -- 5 to 4 at the Supreme Court."

This fucker is an emabarassment not an ex president but a schill. I think it is time to look at how much public money is going into his pockets and cut it back to at least not more that 1.5 times what all the other ex-presidents get. He has the right to freedom of speech but either you are an ex president or a low life piece of shit and this low life piece of shit never could tell the difference.
thanx,
bill

will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

qui mori didicit servire dedidicit
New Whatever else he is -
He's likely the most intelligent CIEIO of past several decades. If his sexual IQ weren't so near that of the average Murican male (but without the Puritan guilt and related BS) - there'd be damn few fuckups for him to have to atone for. If it takes lobbying Blair to put brakes on this Hurry to a Stupid! gun-blazing first-strike Before Elections -- (?) count me in. You go ahead and put your trust in Bush/Cheney smartness + a Free Pass for Any cockamamie-thing at all *next*, in "the middle east" (!) count me out.

And after this admin leaves or is ejected: let's compare the general inventory of the country: amount spent on health, schools infrastructure VS military; general level of overall pissed-offedness and.. number of people pushing shopping carts with total possessions VS total pop. Before and after this Resident.

Then we can have that neat 20/20 view of the Overall Effects of a smart President / less-smart Resident thankyouverymuch.


Ashton
did I mention [oil] ?
New Do you actually believe this?
You write:
He's likely the most intelligent CIEIO of past several decades.

Do you honestly believe that? No noise to follow, but do you sincerely believe that?

Dan
Just a few thoughts,

Screamer


Living is easy with eyes closed
misunderstanding all you see,
it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out
it doesn't matter much to me


J. Lennon - Strawberry Fields Forever
New Yes.
Why would you ask? (nor is it merely my opinion, if we're doing polls)

Intelligence but also: glibness - his contrary aspect. I don't pretend to know which light is on the brightest, at all times - but I infer from the clarity of (most of) his presentations, especially when compared with the general level of political babble:

That he understands what he is reading or speaking, and is capable of writing that which he delivers (no, I don't think he eschews other writers; that would be stupid anyway). He is capable of cohesive extemporaneous comments, replies to questions - as none others than maybe JFK - who was a Natural just like Bill C. (Bill may be 'smarter' than JFK - but that just illustrates our absurd ideas of measuring and calling it 'IQ' and believing that means something) Notice how rarely C. uses blab words like Freedom / The Murican People want / and the other BS phrases. W can't go 3 sentences without one or more of those.

As to what he really Really 'believes' deep-down (?) which is always our real wonderment: I am quite sure that we never get to know that about more than a handful; almost none of those in public vocations. Not about JFK, nor Bill - nor fershure about W. except by his Daddy's staff he hired and the comeuppance he really Wants to deliver. Next.

Anyway - specific examples we could talk to death (like the cruise missile to the camp which allegedly, bin-L had vacated only hours before). Net result: 0. Possible result? We won't know what the truth of that incident was.

And as [link|http://www.salon.com/people/lunch/1999/07/30/lapham/| Lewis Lapham] observed hours ago on NPR (World Affairs Council bdcst. with 2 other speakers) we won't know what This Admin is trumping-up right now, for maybe another 17 years. The lid on past Presidential papers and other secrecy now intensifying - guarantees that 'we' won't have access to the information needed to govern ourselves. Not while this Admin is in power.

So yes - intelligent he is, whatever his marks for strategic instincts or other talents - and he knew How to speak to/with other countries' leaders without insulting them, brandishing the arrogance of power and inanities like "Wars on Evil" and "You're With us or you're a Terrorist". Remember?


HTH,

Ashton
(I don't really imagine I need to convince anyone that Bill C. is intelligent, but WTF) Especially as I listen to W carefully read his boilerplate, this evening - his elocution coach is making progress, but can't keep out the repetitive blab-words. So?
New you see that is what pisses me off greatly
You have a man with his intelligence. Ability to persuede others who spends eight years trying to weasel a legacy by poll wavering. Imagine how much could have been accomplished if he concentrated on governmental affairs instead of trying to look good. His sexual escapades mean nothing, how he handled them is everything. He could have done a lot and he wastd two terms aggrindizing himself and his old lady to the detriment of everyone who knew him including his vice president. Can you name one person of his administration he didnt burn to his own benefit?
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

qui mori didicit servire dedidicit
New Yeah, I've been thinking too...
and I kind of hate to admit it, but I view the past resident of Pennsylvania Avenue as a poster boy for the self-absorbed, legalistic, all pollished flash and no substance, short sighted amateurs that fill not only the political ranks but the corporate CEO ranks as well. As a non-voting former Democrat (thanks largely to Bill's "performance"), I have to say that I now cynically view the "party" as a bunch of cannibalistic fat asses protecting their large bellies acquired from a 30 year diet of pork bought from selling out to labor unions, special interest groups (cannibals themselves), ad nauseum.

I guess it is all a matter of interpretation. I always admired doers and not "talkers". I'd put George Bush the elder's resume/intellect against any of the other career politicians... The knock against HW? He wasn't a good bullshitter. Telling, isn't it?

I have to agree with your assessment. Clinton wasn't even a "good liar"... How intelligent is that for a politician? To me, it puts him in league with Nixon, not Kennedy... Again, it depends on how you define intelligence in a legalistic sense of the word define. I think that part of the current world situation is due to an administration that was liked because it was asleep at the wheel. It's myopic focus on the domestic "issues" and short term "prosperity" and just plain old fucking getting reelected by buying votes satisfied many of the myopic, "if it feels good, do it" hippycrits. Besides, I admire Bush Sr's generation much more than Clintons... They were doers...
Just a few thoughts,

Screamer


Living is easy with eyes closed
misunderstanding all you see,
it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out
it doesn't matter much to me


J. Lennon - Strawberry Fields Forever
New I think you give GB Sr. too much credit.
Neither Bush Sr. nor, for that matter, Dole ever sounded like they really wanted to be president. Bush Sr. rode Reagan's coattails against a fairly weak opponent, then (IMO) blew his Gulf War lead in (a) charisma and (b) not understanding the things he needed to campaign about.

Dole was just a terrible candidate, especially against an opponent who was more Teflon than Reagan himself. Shoot, just about any other Republican and I'd have voted for more than a couple other Democrats myself.
New So then, your overall summary is
.. a poster boy for the self-absorbed, legalistic, all pollished flash and no substance, short sighted amateurs that fill not only the political ranks but the corporate CEO ranks as well.
How conveniently you elide his learning curve: having taken on the Puritan-Military anti-gay crowd, out of the box.. then tried to tackle the largest Profit-making scam in history: the entire broken AMA-style Medical/Insurance megaCorporation (both via tyro foolish head-on tactics!)

One could as easily say, not in justification of the above bad strategy, but as a realization of the inertia of the opposition / the actual small extent of 'Presidential power':

He just may have perceived then: the Fact of the Murican One Party with Two Right-Wings (or fill in your own). He may even have perceived that ~ the best he might do is confound the Congress, minimize its great propensity for passing even worse Corp-purchased legislation. (for just one what-if)

Of what use is intelligence and a good grasp of language - if the words are simply ignored by the 'parties' - as, precisely: in the debate play occurring right now: wherein [a Southern voice, missed name] set out starkly the exact Constitutional issues of the Congress ceding its warmaking powers in a blank check; moreover one with no Exit Clause. The reply went immediately into blab-words about "clear and present danger", ignoring Every Point *just made*.

It may be that there is indeed little place for intelligence in the figurehead office of the Pres. Expected of the Pres. by this consumer nation - seems to be little more than a duty for repeated self-congratulation of ourselves for building This Great Nation, and making sure that we may continue to regress to 1970s levels of oil/energy consumption: as if there were no tomorrow (for your 3 yo and a few million others).

Clinton wasn't clever enough to accomplish what LBJ did - employ his mastery of congressional manipulation (via incessant phone calls to the exact right people) - not smart? enough then to construct an end-run around the inertia, wherein his strategy and tactics complemented each other. Thus he was ineffective, evidently frustrated - for obviously possessing much better ideas than he could cause to be implemented.

Intelligent he always was and remains. His greatest service may have been to demonstrate the utter unworkability of our One-Party system, the poverty of Murican political babble in general - and just maybe help along the ever-slim chances for reform of the patently obvious Corp-purchase of Government in all significant sense.

(Nobody knows how to do That still - Congress would have to vote to become insecure and honest, in the National Interest - for reform to be possible) Hah.


The impeachment WAS about sex and Puritan hypocrisy (chaired by today's same Henry Hyde - another adulterer) in an effort to nullify the Murican (remaining actual voters) electorate. Sex remains the first and for most (?) sufficient reason to despise Clinton. Now we know about 'us' - what about Clinton?


Ashton
New Fair...
I think this is a fair assessment of Clinton's strengths. Although I think you could easily substitute the word Reagan (remember the "great communicator" moniker) for every instance of Clinton and come up with a similar platitude... How's that for thinking outside the box?

:)

We have always agreed on a number of issues, foremost being that short of actual ethical lobotomies for the general morass - this political system is broken beyond any hope of repair... I'm throwing Clinton out with the bathwater too (did a long time ago)- maybe unjustly, but he's outta here.

I'm just throwing out a few unclean thoughts to these particular boards 'cause it seems a bit one sided now. FWIW, I thought Clinton was intelligent, but do not admire him - just as Nixon...
Just a few thoughts,

Screamer


Living is easy with eyes closed
misunderstanding all you see,
it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out
it doesn't matter much to me


J. Lennon - Strawberry Fields Forever
New When you compare him with Reagan
then you and I have different ideas about what intelligence means (never mind "IQ" - that's an outright hoax). Reagan was an *actor* (as all of us are of course, on the daily stage) -- but that's All he ever was; he never was a thinker and: it showed, quite long before the official Alzheimers diagnosis. Like Billy too, his 'innovation' was handed to him by others - on purely emotional judgments as always. IMhO.

Happened to hear a NPR rebroadcast tonight, Clinton's speech at [link|http://www.coe.berkeley.edu/EPA/EngNews/02S/EN3S/clinton.html| UCB] ~2/02. This is the one in which (post-remarks) a questioner asked, "Why does the Right Wing hate you so much?" Clinton hesitated about 1 second: "Because I won." Obv. the audience [Roared] liked him a lot, but then, these are just academics and we all know how easily led They are ;-)

He expanded: referred to the Repub. long-term (successful) strategy of characterizing Democrats, Libertarians -anyone not Them- as "cardboard cutouts"; example named was Dukakis and the 'reverse plastic surgery' done on him. "They thought they owned the White House, that they should own it; no Democrat would ever be President again. I learned about this Big-Lie technique by watching my Rt-Wing Yahoo Gramma at work, fucking with language.. at an early age.

Pity that this link hasn't the full text of the speech and the Q&A -- and the extemporaneous wit, detail in actual English. You seem already to have forgotten his original 'policy wonk' sobriquet: he carried around in his head more relevant facts about US History, government orgs and their roles and policies -- and how these factoids often fit together -- than: *any* President, hell maybe any other *single* person ever with such power.

As to the frequent innuendo that he didn't Really.. give a shit about the very many world issues about rich/poor and the effects upon the US of our policies towards these; the paucity of our expenditures in 'foreign aid' VS those of other civilized countries - that calumny would have to be backed with more than random cynical slogans from folks just like my wacko Gramma.

Sorry Dan, but I think your filters missed the rest of the man. Hearing this speech and contrasting it with Dubya/Cheney and the Hawks and low-life lower echelons surrounding them (listed in more detail in a post above IIRC?) -- was a stark reminder of just How insouciant is our current Exec. branch, and how inarticulate / impoverished of original thought.

(BTW - in another aside he explained the nasty DC environment! Gave a balanced and sympathetic description of the demands on congresscritters: expected to read all the bills, give parties to attract people to quiz re those, fly home on weekends, and raise impossible amounts of $$ [natch it was about campaign finance reform NOW] -- said they are all sleep deprived.) I think he's spot-on. The patent nastiness cannot be missed, in any case.

Anyway, enough of this. Yes the system is broken horrifyingly: we are seeing just Now where that might lead next. It is, like the fav academic phrase about a submitted paper, so screwed up it's not even wrong.

I don't think 'we' have the interest, the brains-generally or the guts to repair it. Sorry you're young enough to have to put up with what I foresee. I put a mini-review (in Reviews, natch) of a book publ. in Paris early '39 = before Poland, by an ex-Nazi satrap from Danzig, Hermann Rauschning:

The Revolution of Nihilism: Warning to the West

Found this in a friend's bookcase a few weeks ago - a revelation (for me). It filled in lots of blanks. I feel that I now -finally- comprehend (!) what Hitler and the Nazis were about (at and Only at: just that inner circle - the rest were fed regular and abrupt 'changes of focus' as part of an actual program; the street was fed pure BS for an equally sinister but clear purpose, etc.)

Reread Sinclair Lewis's It can't Happen Here and the above, if you have the time - and you'll see why I deem the present Admin and its massive Corporate agenda to be a prelude to the permanent? / long-term de-Constitution of America. This unless a lot more spirit manifests strongly and soon. There are some utterly vicious ones in this mix. You don't have to literally goose-step, you know.

I think it not improbable that I shall be heading towards Canada in the foreseeable, if a few checkpoints are next passed. I'd like to be mistaken, but I believe dumbth IS rampant here. Ah.. if the Web had existed in 1933 ... ... Sorry for you and yours, though I hear Simon Fraser U. uses IT folk too :-) No, it's just coincidence and logic - that that was also the haven in the S. Lewis book..


Luck to all,
Ashton
The US is no longer a Constitutional Republic - not since the PATRIOT Act became its own lampoon (of and for all of us).
New Well at least your the correct race for canada
some of us wouldnt do well at all there.
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

"Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane."
Lyndon LaRouche
New The book sounded familiar to me...
so I looked at a few old syllabi that I had laying around from my Russian undergrad days. The Russian department at my school was the German/East Asian languages department and I took a few "fluff" courses like the history of the German cinema and the history of Russian cinema... I also took a course in German history (from Kaiser to the Fall).

In any case, I wrote a paper in a Russian literature class comparing and contrasting Rauschning's writings with Dostoyevski and Lermontov and Tolstoy...

When googling I came upon this link, not necessarily pertinent to this discussion, but fascinating...
[link|http://www.writerscramp.ca/the_mythos.htm|http://www.writersc...e_mythos.htm]

I haven't lost my capacity for critical reasoning, but have started to be intuitively taken in by the slogan "if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything". Seduced if you will. Perhaps I'm a nihilist, but damned don't wish to be one.

Dan

Just a few thoughts,

Screamer


Living is easy with eyes closed
misunderstanding all you see,
it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out
it doesn't matter much to me


J. Lennon - Strawberry Fields Forever
New Quite a tour de force
In Germany and Austria at the beginning of the 20th century, such publications as Ostara taught initiatory knowledge, and lodges such as the Germanenorden and the Thule Gesellschaft who were outwardly innocuous fraternal orders, such as most Freemason lodges, began to take in the intellectual and mystically inclined members of the upper social classes on the Continent. It was no accident that one of the inner circle, a Fraulein Sprengel, became the secret conduit from Germany leading to the formation of The Golden Dawn order in England.
Hmmm - got an Engl. version of that Rauschning comparison? Small world still.

OK we can raise the matters up a scale or maybe two.. Ostara was IIRC a seminal influence in Hitler's search for a 'model' (?) to flesh out whatever megalomaniac stuff was floating around in his psyche. There are lots of good refs in that link, if anyone wants to take on the grokking of human psyches. (That won't come from Sociology or Psych 101)

Since such models relate to Everything Imaginable, so they relate to the mindset of Dubya, Cheney and the midgets surrounding these. Theirs is a black&white worldview and a Fundamentalist black&white religiosity - of the superficial kind.. Perfect match for an Authoritarian mind.

(And $$ - never forget that $$ was each's lifetime prime motivator) - at least after the coke act had to be cleaned up, in one case. Political power and $$ are interchangeable - once you have all the money. It is a natural to move on to the next echelon of people-control beyond merely 'hiring them').

Whether or not Duby/Cheney and the 3% main wealth-owners succeeded in today's aim of achieving unconditional surrender of Congressional power: this cadre would be (my) natural enemy anyway - on grounds of their unremitting shallow view of the aims and possibilities of life, and their manifest disrespect for all which makes live worth defending. These are the examples one has to 'excuse' - ever to justify the proposition that "there is Beauty in homo-sapiens at their best.."

Tough sell on days like these last. ecce homo ...


Ashton
neither shocked nor surprised - just disgusted at how little [even] the Congress! understands in 2002 of their raison d'etre!
New Hey Ash?
give me a day or two to check something and get back to you on the golden dawn stuff. Wierd shit from long time ago, maybe Ill take it off line.
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

"Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane."
Lyndon LaRouche
New Transcript of Clinton's speech.

[...]

A few words about Iraq. I support the efforts of the Prime Minister and President Bush to get tougher with Saddam Hussein. I strongly support the Prime Minister's determination if at all possible to act through the UN. We need a strong new resolution calling for unrestricted inspections. The restrictions imposed in 1998 are not acceptable and will not do the job. There should be a deadline and no lack of clarity about what Iraq must do. There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime poses a threat to his people, his neighbours and the world at large because of his biological and chemical weapons and his nuclear programme. They admitted to vast stores of biological and chemical stocks in 1995. In 1998, as the Prime Minister's speech a few days ago made clear,. even more were documented. But I think it is also important to remember that Britain and the United States made real progress with our international allies through the UN with the inspection programme in the 1990s. The inspectors discovered and destroyed far more weapons of mass destruction and constituent parts with the inspection programme than were destroyed in the Gulf War, far more, including 40,000 chemical weapons, 100,000 gallons of chemicals used to make weapons, 48 missiles, 30 armed warheads and a massive biological weapons facility equipped to produce anthrax and other bio-weapons. In other words the inspections were working even when he was trying to thwart them.

In December of 1998 after the inspectors were kicked out along with the support of Prime Minister Blair and the British military we launched Operation Desert Fox for four days. An air assault on those weapons of mass destruction, the air defence and regime protection forces. This campaign had scores of targets and successfully degraded both the conventional and non-conventional arsenal. It diminished Iraq's threat to the region and it demonstrated the price to be paid for violating the Security Council's resolutions. It was the right thing to do, and it is one reason why I still believe we had to stay at this business until we get all those biological and chemical weapons out of there.

What has happened in the last four years? No inspectors, a fresh opportunity to rebuild the biological and chemical weapons programme and to try and develop some sort of nuclear capacity. Because of the sanctions Saddam Hussein is much weaker militarily than he was in 1990, while we are stronger, but that probably has given him even more incentive to try and amass weapons of mass destruction. I agree with many Republicans and Democrats in America and many here in Britain who want to go through the United Nations to bring the weight of world opinion together, to bring us all together, too offer one more chance to the inspections.

President Bush and Secretary Powell say they want a UN resolution too and are willing to give the inspectors another chance. Saddam Hussein, as usual, is bobbing and weaving. We should call his bluff. The United Nations should scrap the 1998 restrictions and call for a complete and unrestricted set of inspections with a new resolution. If the inspections go forward, and I hope they will, perhaps we can avoid a conflict. In any case the world ought to show up and say we meant it in 1991 when we said this man should not have a biological, chemical and nuclear weapons programme. And we can do that through the UN. The prospect of a resolution actually offers us the chance to integrate the world, to make the United Nations a more meaningful, more powerful, more effective institution. And that's why I appreciate what the Prime Minister is trying to do, in trying to bring America and the rest of the world to a common position. If he was not there to do this I doubt if anyone else could, so I am very very grateful.

If the inspections go forward I believe we should still work for a regime change in Iraq in non-military ways, through support of the Iraqi opposition and in trying to strengthen it. Iraq has not always been a tyrannical dictatorship. Saddam Hussein was once a part of a government which came to power through more legitimate means.

The West has a lot to answer for in Iraq. Before the Gulf War when Saddam Hussein gassed the Kurds and the Iranians there was hardly a peep in the West because he was in Iran. Evidence has now come to light that in the early 1980s the United States may have even supplied him with the materials necessary to start the bio-weapons programme. And in the Gulf War the Shi'ites in the South East of Iraq were urged to rise up and then were cruelly abandoned to their fate as he came in and killed large numbers of them, drained the Marshes and largely destroyed their culture and way of life. We cannot walk away from them or the proved evidence that they are capable of self-government and entitled to a decent life. We do not necessarily have to go to war to give it to them, but we cannot forget that we are not blameless in the misery under which they suffer and we must continue to support them.

This is a difficult issue. Military action should always be a last resort, for three reasons; because today Saddam Hussein has all the incentive in the world not to use or give these weapons away but with certain defeat he would have all the incentive to do just that. Because a pre-emptive action today, however well justified, may come back with unwelcome consequences in the future. And because I have done this, I have ordered these kinds of actions. I do not care how precise your bombs and your weapons are, when you set them off innocent people will die.

Weighing the risks and making the calls are what we elect leaders to do, and I can tell you that as an American, and a citizen of the world, I am glad that Tony Blair will be central to weighing the risks and making the call. For the moment the rest of us should support his efforts in the United Nations and until they fail we do not have to cross bridges we would prefer not to cross.

Now, let me just say a couple of other things. This is a delicate matter but I think this whole Iraq issue is made more difficult for some of you because of the differences you have with the Conservatives in America over other matters, over the criminal court and the Kyoto Treaty and the comprehensive test ban treaty. I don't agree with that either, plus I disagree with them on nearly everything, on budget policy, tax policy, on education policy. On education policy, on environmental policy, on health care policy. I have a world of disagreements with them. But, we cannot lose sight of the bigger issue. To build the world we want America will have to be involved and the best likelihood comes when America and Britain, when America and Europe are working together. We cannot believe that we cannot reach across party and philosophical lines to find common ground on issues fundamental to our security and the way we organise ourselves as free people. That is what Tony Blair could not walk away from, what he should not have walked away from and what we are all trying to work through in the present day. I ask you to support him as he makes that effort.

[...]


[link|http://www.labour.org.uk/clintonconfspeech/| Clinton's speech ]


New So what's the deal?
A whole hoarde of testosterone-fired war-mongers can lobby Tony Blair and his political party, and that's OK, but a whole different testosterone-fired guy from the land of been-there-done-that goes to lobby Blair and his political party for the opposite viewpoint, and he's a "fucker".

The only difference is that the first group, neo-fascists who are only ineterested in maintaining their position of privilege, money and power, regardless of the cost, you agree with; and the second, you don't.

Too bad, whiner....

Oh, and BTW the remark: "The election was so close in America that they won it fair and square -- 5 to 4 at the Supreme Court." is true accurate and fair. I guess you only like freedon of speech if the speech agrees with your own personal agenda, and happens to be politically correct enough for you.

You're starting to sound like Marlowe.
jb4
"About the use of language: it is impossible to sharpen a pencil with a blunt axe. It is equally vain to try to do it with ten blunt axes instead. "
-- Edsger W.Dijkstra (1930 - 2002)
(I wish more managers knew that...)
New may your SO eat pinto beans for a week
So how many visits did ex prez Ford make to shape Blair's decision. How many times has Carter bleated about a political Supreme court. Nope only the ex asshole who wouldnt know presidential behavior if it gave him a blowjob. That is my problem with the fuck, not the content of the message. So blow me and on your way rejoicing. :-)
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

qui mori didicit servire dedidicit
New "SO"? Standard Oil?
Why am I not surprised?

(Besides, if I did what you asked, you'd never go back to women...)
jb4
"About the use of language: it is impossible to sharpen a pencil with a blunt axe. It is equally vain to try to do it with ten blunt axes instead. "
-- Edsger W.Dijkstra (1930 - 2002)
(I wish more managers knew that...)
New standard oil is what the SO woud have after a week :-)
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

qui mori didicit servire dedidicit
New Y'know - JFK was just as reckless about sex as Bill
For all your randy thru raunchy remarks, I'd have thought you the Last one here to be a prude, filtering an entire 8 years through mainly: the juvenile defect that Bill shares with several tens of millions of his countrymenboys. This as if - for being perpetually horny (like those millions) and stupid about getting caught: you noticed nothing else about him or his performance. Unconvincing.

(And it's ALL 'performance' - Ronnie proved that for all time, for those in doubt before. No blowjobs there though. So he's OK - right?)

Sorry but - your choice of words about Why he's such a Fucker - renders your opinion unuseable. And so much for consenting adults around Puritans.



Ashton
I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence. There's a knob called 'brightness', but it doesn't work.
Gallagher
     more undead horse oughta change his name to Jane - (boxley) - (19)
         Whatever else he is - - (Ashton) - (12)
             Do you actually believe this? - (screamer) - (11)
                 Yes. - (Ashton) - (10)
                     you see that is what pisses me off greatly - (boxley) - (9)
                         Yeah, I've been thinking too... - (screamer) - (8)
                             I think you give GB Sr. too much credit. - (wharris2)
                             So then, your overall summary is - (Ashton) - (6)
                                 Fair... - (screamer) - (5)
                                     When you compare him with Reagan - (Ashton) - (4)
                                         Well at least your the correct race for canada - (boxley)
                                         The book sounded familiar to me... - (screamer) - (2)
                                             Quite a tour de force - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                 Hey Ash? - (boxley)
         Transcript of Clinton's speech. - (Simon_Jester)
         So what's the deal? - (jb4) - (4)
             may your SO eat pinto beans for a week - (boxley) - (3)
                 "SO"? Standard Oil? - (jb4) - (1)
                     standard oil is what the SO woud have after a week :-) -NT - (boxley)
                 Y'know - JFK was just as reckless about sex as Bill - (Ashton)

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