A good read - Connectix VPC guide slams Windows/XP

Post #54,828 by dmarker2 10/4/02 12:31:38 AM Reply	A good read - Connectix VPC guide slams Windows/XP [link\|http://www.connectix.com/downloadcenter/pdf/OptimizingWinXPProandHome.pdf\|Tuning WinXP Home & Pro for Virtual PC - Guide] The above guide in the very first paragrah says that all the "wonderful"* extras that give XP is "wonderful"* look and feel - degrade the OS esp when compared to Windows2000. The guide then advises how to turn off all the bloatware to get decent performance for WindowsXP. * (me quoting Bill Gates) Cheers Doug Marker
Post #54,876 by andread 10/4/02 11:25:50 AM Reply	Re: A good read - Connectix VPC guide slams Windows/XP actually that file doesn't say that it says that their program works better with 2K than XP to which one might say so? A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|Tune In]
Post #55,010 by dmarker2 10/5/02 1:13:45 AM Reply	Re: We must have read different documents The one I read clearly stated that WindowsXP has a lot of extras that may make it look pretty but that make it run badly & that turning many of the se WinXP features off improves performance. Now how does this contradict my original more colorful way of saying that XP is bloated ??? Cheers Doug
Post #55,029 by altmann 10/5/02 2:41:13 AM Reply	Try running a "modern" Linux desktop under VPC You'll be fumbling to turn off as much eye-candy as possible, assuming you find it useable at all. OK for CLI stuff though. OS/2 isn't too snappy (or stable) on VPC either. For that matter, try Mac OS X on an underpowered machine. Too bad you can't just "turn off" Aqua. -- Chris Altmann
Post #55,102 by jake123 10/6/02 12:21:25 AM Reply	OS/2 under VPC You'll want to go to [link\|http:/www.innotek.de\|Innotek] and get their OS/2 addon for VPC for Windows. Innotek and Connectix have worked together to both bring VPC to OS/2 and to bring OS/2 to VPC as a guest. I'm expecting to get VPC for OS/2 sometime in the next month or so, myself... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- * Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca * * [link\|http://consultron.ca \|[link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca]] irc.ecomstation.ca * * Laval Qu\ufffdbec Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] * -------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #55,121 by dmarker2 10/6/02 11:13:31 AM 10/6/02 11:14:54 AM Reply	Re: I have been demonstrating RedHat 7.2 under VPC for ... our company for the past year. Also Mandrake & one other distro (just to push it). Our RedHat runs very well & achieves exactly the purpose intended. Even with a web server & disk sharing. I run it on a DELL notebook with 850 Mhz PIII & 512 MB ram. I don't try to run other apps at the same time. But we also run it on a DELL server with 3GB RAM, it runs exceptionally well ???. At home I have VPC on a 1.4GHZ P4 with 512MB RAM. That works very well also ???. What configs have you tried VPC with and also what version of VPC 4.0?, 4.3? - ??? Have you tried VPC 5.0 ??? - if no then I recommend you do - if yes, what was your problem ??? Cheers Doug #1 On Friday I installed RedHat 8.0 under VPC 5 - that is pretty 'modern' <grin> Edited by dmarker2 Oct. 6, 2002, 11:14:54 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #55,170 by altmann 10/6/02 5:15:22 PM Reply	Re: I have been demonstrating RedHat 7.2 under VPC for ... VirtualPC 4.3 on Windows 2000 on a Athlon 1.2GHz w/ 640MB RAM. Running Redhat 7.1 and 7.2 CLI was fine. I've used it to run Apache and PostgreSQL and some other stuff. It is fast enough to check out the desktop environments and see what new features were to be had, but for day-to-day use they were far from fast enough IMO. I guess it all comes to our respective definitions of "runs well". As for VPC 5.0, well it seems I've already downloaded the updater and never installed it :) I'll get back to you with how things improve from that. -- Chris Altmann
Post #55,177 by altmann 10/6/02 5:47:00 PM Reply	Ok, that's frightening (re: VPC 5.0) GNOME 2 on Redhat 7.2 is much faster now. I'd actually say it is day-to-day useable. Funny thing is, the Windows XP eye-candy under VPC 5.0 isn't all that bad either. Nowhere near as bad as when I first tried it under VPC 4.3. OS/2 is pretty snappy as well. I'll shut up now :) -- Chris Altmann
Post #55,211 by dmarker2 10/6/02 9:52:24 PM Reply	Re: I have been demonstrating RedHat 7.2 under VPC for ... VPC 5 has a new vitual motherboard & bios - they claim it runs much faster than 4.x - so far I agree. You can migrate from 4.3 to 5 but the OS will want to reconfigure the hardware (XP may want you to reregister <grin). Cheers Doug (PS I wouldn't use it in a normal production environment - only ever use VPC to test out installs & the various features prior to deciding a final install. But one app I run under VPC that alone makes it worth its weight in gold, is that I still need to compile MF Cobol programs & that requires a printer port dongle & also I can only get the ver of MF Cobol I have running under Win NT - it all works well under VPC.)
Post #55,076 by andread 10/5/02 5:15:30 PM Reply	Re: We must have read different documents Here's the quote: When run in Virtual PC however, these visual enhancements affect the overall feel and performance of the operating system \ufffd especially when compared to a Windows 2000 operating system. It says with VPC A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|Tune In]
Post #55,118 by dmarker2 10/6/02 11:02:05 AM Reply	Re: We must have read different documents Yes, And the document explains that these features chew up cycles and and load & that is about as good a write up on bloatware as I have seen. I just happen to have a 867mhz Transmeta powered notebook that drops to 350 mhz when on battery - this machine is running WinXP - after reading that VPC writeup I applied all their suggestions to my WinXP notebook & noticed such an improvement that I happily posted the original comment - so I am speaking from practical experience - what are you speaking from ??? Cheers Doug
Post #55,120 by andread 10/6/02 11:10:05 AM Reply	Re: We must have read different documents So you weren't referring to the article but rather your personal experience that is OK with me I was saying that the article did not support your claim To me, so-called bloat is in the mind of the beholder will my car get more MPG if I don't use the AC on hot days sure it will is AC necessary no will my car pull less power from its elecrtical system if I refrain from playing music when I drive sure is car stereo necessary no like MS would say what about the user experience yours is valid but it may not be typical the whole GUI is unnecesary if you want to call it bloat (on any system) on a semi-related issue, I hate laptops and all laptop manufacturers they claim to sell portable computers and advertize them as 1 GHz and then they run at 400 MHz if you're lucky A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|Tune In]
Post #55,210 by dmarker2 10/6/02 9:45:10 PM Reply	Re: We must have read different documents It is pretty usual for my posts to be based on real world experience. I posted that article because it pointed out the bloat & I was able to prove it to myself thus giving me the confidence to post it. Posting based on practical experience is highly recommended. Cheers Doug

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