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New You seem to be missing points on purpose.
No purpose debating the maintenance issue any further. Those 2 carriers skimped. There were incentives..and they were allowed to get away with it because the FAA was understaffed.

They got caught. They were grounded. Neither case contributed to the crash as far as the NTSB was concerned. So we're debating a non-issue.

The fact remains that air travel is safer post that pre-deregulation. It might be on a high currently...but that post deregulation high is still roughly half that of pre.

As far as the 1st class seats (not purchased...FF levels allow it)...if I could fly SW or Delta Express I would...unfortunately they don't fly here...and they don't go where I need them to go. I suppose I could drive 2 hours to catch a plane that would connect me 3 times to get to my destination...but that wouldn't meet my service expectation...now would it?

What...exactly...is >your< point...except to disagree with mine?

You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

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New Fair enough - one last post
Point:
Your argument appears to be that since the crashes of ValuJet and Alaska were not maintenance related there isn't an issue. Merely up the number of inspectors and the problem goes away.

My argument was that deregulation caused a economic incentive to skimp on maintenance and that some had tried. Period, that's it. That's all I was saying.



Point:
Your argument appears to be that safety was increased since deregulation.

Frankly, this wasn't my argument and I shouldn't have gotten involved in it. I don't have the data or the specs to argue it (nor the desire).




If you want to fly first class on SW or Delta Express, be my guest.

But, last I checked, neither service offered it.

And that is my ultimate point - and it has nothing to do with unions or airline mismanagement.
New Well that was easy.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

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New Coming from this end, however ...
[I]f I could fly SW or Delta Express I would...unfortunately they don't fly here...and they don't go where I need them to go. I suppose I could drive 2 hours to catch a plane that would connect me 3 times to get to my destination...but that wouldn't meet my service expectation...now would it?
But coming from Cleveland to visit the folks in Philly, I'll take Southwest to Baltimore and rent a car there. I save enough on airfare to pay for the care for a three-day visit, which is more convenient than asking my parents to borrow the car. (Like staying with your parents for three days isn't already enough to make you feel like you're 16 again.)
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New If you're coming over a weekend...
...I would double-check...because usually don't pay more than $200 (usually less) to go in the opposite direction...SW usually is about 75 bucks cheaper from BWI...but CO matches. Dunno about you...but that difference would be made up by the rental and I'd be out the 4 hours.

Also...sign up for US Airways eSavers...if you want to come spur of the moment sometime (I've done it)...those are usually about 140 (same as BWI) and Philly Cleveland is in there at least once a month.

You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

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New Last time I came
SW was $89 round-trip to BWI. Cheapest I could find direct was $330 from Continental. I wouldn't be surprised to find that round-trip from point A to point B isn't always the same price as point B to point A.
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Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978|Andrew Grygus]
New Also wouldn't be surprised to see...
...that SW has moved their price up a bit.

They're starting to bank on customer loyalty...and raising fares between certain cities.

If you book 2 weeks out...usually always CO and SW will match each other...and the Philly direct will usually be about $75-100 higher (except for those eSavers, but you can't really >plan< with them).

You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
     The War on Airline Passengers - (Ashton) - (58)
         iwethey/iwethey account -NT - (boxley)
         This is why I won't be flying anytime soon. - (Simon_Jester) - (38)
             Wonder if any "Free Marketers" have noticed... - (mmoffitt) - (37)
                 Check the fares. - (bepatient) - (36)
                     um...I note that - (Simon_Jester) - (24)
                         Safety is regulated. - (bepatient) - (23)
                             Where is your tongue? - (jb4) - (1)
                                 Reality check. - (bepatient)
                             Lots of trouble with posting... - (Simon_Jester) - (12)
                                 Re: Lots of trouble with posting... - (bepatient) - (11)
                                     Sigh..bepatient...you're being obtuse. - (Simon_Jester) - (10)
                                         Really? Differing definitions I suppose. - (bepatient) - (9)
                                             Chuckle... - (Simon_Jester) - (8)
                                                 You seem to be missing points on purpose. - (bepatient) - (6)
                                                     Fair enough - one last post - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                                                         Well that was easy. -NT - (bepatient)
                                                     Coming from this end, however ... - (drewk) - (3)
                                                         If you're coming over a weekend... - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                             Last time I came - (drewk) - (1)
                                                                 Also wouldn't be surprised to see... - (bepatient)
                                                 You seem to be missing points on purpose. - (bepatient)
                     So it's all the union's fault, Bill? - (jb4) - (1)
                         No its not. - (bepatient)
                     Organized labor killed the steel industry? - (Silverlock) - (2)
                         Compared to what it used to be... - (bepatient) - (1)
                             Got any trade-off numbers - (Ashton)
                     Super Savers and other nonsense. - (mmoffitt) - (5)
                         Re: Super Savers and other nonsense. - (admin) - (1)
                             Clarification. - (mmoffitt)
                         Route restrictions - (bepatient) - (2)
                             Little cities lost out. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                 Concede loss of frequency. - (bepatient)
         I've always said current security is stoo-pid - (wharris2) - (7)
             Re: I've always said current security is stoo-pid - (deSitter) - (6)
                 Holy crud, you *admonished* them? - (wharris2) - (5)
                     Re: Holy crud, you *admonished* them? - (deSitter)
                     Re: Holy crud, you *admonished* them? - (jb4) - (3)
                         Re: Holy crud, you *admonished* them? - (wharris2) - (2)
                             Re: Holy crud, you *admonished* them? - (deSitter) - (1)
                                 Amen. -NT - (Ashton)
         Very Typical - (deSitter)
         Update - (deSitter)
         Re: The War on Airline Passengers (bad lang alert) - (wharris2) - (7)
             Let's hope we have some company - - (Ashton)
             Don't blame the airlines... - (bepatient) - (2)
                 We knew who the fed was / currently is run by - - (Ashton) - (1)
                     you have a firm grasp of the situation. -NT - (bepatient)
             Re: The War on Airline Passengers (bad lang alert) - (deSitter) - (2)
                 Re: The War on Airline Passengers (bad lang alert) - (wharris2)
                 Will let you know just after the vote on First Strike Now -NT - (Ashton)

I'm sorry, I came here for an argument!
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