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New Compared to what it used to be...
...it has vanished.

Perhaps I was too simplistic in that reference...because the overall situation is a parallel...with the management being inadequate...the blame game prevalent...and the labor side being slow to realize that give-backs were necessary and job losses inevitable. Theres a point made later in the article about government funding "closure assistance" for affected workers instead of the protection at the borders...not a bad idea in either case...don't give them money...pay their severance costs and retraining expenses when work rules are re-established at a more realistic level.

At least in the airline industry the carriers realized that fleet age was costing them money and moved to renew fleets (thanks to CO using it to advertise)...but the renewal of assets may have come too late in the game for the majors.

And also like the steel industry...the large players are being hamstrung by smaller, lower cost players picking off pieces of the overall market...

The only difference is (until this year)...the airlines hadn't been heavily protected or subsidized. There's a few billion in loans available now that will change that.

You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Got any trade-off numbers
between the bottom-line effects of greedy union slugs VS the total compensation packages of management, from CIEIO on through that vagueness, middle-management?

Apples and apples, say? Leaving aside, that is - the insoluble argument about Which Group is Greedier\ufffd - in a system whose very basis is the maximizing of personal greed / at the expense of all and anyone not-me (I believe that's a sane deconstruction of the core 'incentive' rationale for amassing capital)).

(Econ is such number-fun; it's so bloodless, and each tenet generates a family of logical obfuscations - leading to the next; sorta like that other pseudo-science, The Law ?)


Ashton

Looking for Nobel material next: The Chaos Theory of Econ, Explained
     The War on Airline Passengers - (Ashton) - (58)
         iwethey/iwethey account -NT - (boxley)
         This is why I won't be flying anytime soon. - (Simon_Jester) - (38)
             Wonder if any "Free Marketers" have noticed... - (mmoffitt) - (37)
                 Check the fares. - (bepatient) - (36)
                     um...I note that - (Simon_Jester) - (24)
                         Safety is regulated. - (bepatient) - (23)
                             Where is your tongue? - (jb4) - (1)
                                 Reality check. - (bepatient)
                             Lots of trouble with posting... - (Simon_Jester) - (12)
                                 Re: Lots of trouble with posting... - (bepatient) - (11)
                                     Sigh..bepatient...you're being obtuse. - (Simon_Jester) - (10)
                                         Really? Differing definitions I suppose. - (bepatient) - (9)
                                             Chuckle... - (Simon_Jester) - (8)
                                                 You seem to be missing points on purpose. - (bepatient) - (6)
                                                     Fair enough - one last post - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                                                         Well that was easy. -NT - (bepatient)
                                                     Coming from this end, however ... - (drewk) - (3)
                                                         If you're coming over a weekend... - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                             Last time I came - (drewk) - (1)
                                                                 Also wouldn't be surprised to see... - (bepatient)
                                                 You seem to be missing points on purpose. - (bepatient)
                     So it's all the union's fault, Bill? - (jb4) - (1)
                         No its not. - (bepatient)
                     Organized labor killed the steel industry? - (Silverlock) - (2)
                         Compared to what it used to be... - (bepatient) - (1)
                             Got any trade-off numbers - (Ashton)
                     Super Savers and other nonsense. - (mmoffitt) - (5)
                         Re: Super Savers and other nonsense. - (admin) - (1)
                             Clarification. - (mmoffitt)
                         Route restrictions - (bepatient) - (2)
                             Little cities lost out. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                 Concede loss of frequency. - (bepatient)
         I've always said current security is stoo-pid - (wharris2) - (7)
             Re: I've always said current security is stoo-pid - (deSitter) - (6)
                 Holy crud, you *admonished* them? - (wharris2) - (5)
                     Re: Holy crud, you *admonished* them? - (deSitter)
                     Re: Holy crud, you *admonished* them? - (jb4) - (3)
                         Re: Holy crud, you *admonished* them? - (wharris2) - (2)
                             Re: Holy crud, you *admonished* them? - (deSitter) - (1)
                                 Amen. -NT - (Ashton)
         Very Typical - (deSitter)
         Update - (deSitter)
         Re: The War on Airline Passengers (bad lang alert) - (wharris2) - (7)
             Let's hope we have some company - - (Ashton)
             Don't blame the airlines... - (bepatient) - (2)
                 We knew who the fed was / currently is run by - - (Ashton) - (1)
                     you have a firm grasp of the situation. -NT - (bepatient)
             Re: The War on Airline Passengers (bad lang alert) - (deSitter) - (2)
                 Re: The War on Airline Passengers (bad lang alert) - (wharris2)
                 Will let you know just after the vote on First Strike Now -NT - (Ashton)

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