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New Well...we've had several cars
that got 50+ mpg (iirc). They had lousy acceleration, were small and people didn't buy them, but they do exist.

Getting 100+ mpg isn't impossible, as I suspect some [link|http://www.spacecoastmotorcycle.com/tomos.shtml|motorcycles] get close to that.

[link|http://www.rqriley.com/t-car.html|(100 mpg+ cars exist too)]

Of course, motorcycles aren't nearly as safe as cars either.
New Steam works also
[link|http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/3589/efficiency.html|steam engines]
"Of course this is not an exact comparison. The differences, however, favor the steam car. Popular Science recently ran a chart showing that typical coefficients of aerodynamic drag of car bodies of the 1920s are about twice as high as those of modern cars. This means that for the same frontal area, a modern car has only half the air drag of a car of the 1920s. So the 1920s Stanley gets the same fuel mileage as a modern vehicle of the same weight and frontal area, while its engine is overcoming twice the air drag! Plus, for a given vehicle weight, the old-fashioned bias ply tires on a Stanley have higher rolling resistance than modern radial ply tires.
This suggests that the 1920s Stanley powerplant is more efficient than its modern gas car equivalent. If a 1920s Stanley powerplant were installed in a modern SUV, truck, or van, it would have less rolling resistance and air drag to overcome than in the original Stanley body of the same weight and frontal area. That means it would use less horsepower and therefore get better fuel mileage than the 10-14 mpg it got in its original (1920s) vehicle. Since the gas engine gets 10-14 mpg in the modern vehicle, and the Stanley powerplant would get better than 10-14 mpg in the modern vehicle, that means the Stanley powerplant would give better fuel mileage than the modern gas powerplant, with both powerplants installed in identical vehicles!"
Also burns almost anything from cow chips to kerosene.
thanx,
bill

."Once, in the wilds of Afghanistan, I had to subsist on food and water for several weeks." W.C. Fields
New Well, if you want to go external combustion...
you really should go with a [link|http://www.cse.iitk.ac.in/~amit/courses/371/abhishe/main.html| Sterling Engine ] rather than steam. Live steam is fairly dangerous and the Sterling was developed in part to answer those dangers.

Of course, Sterlings (like Steam Engines) do suffer from some problems. They're not instanteous (they have to heat up first), and they don't have the power curve that gasoline engines have.

However, during the 1970's, Ford and other manufacturers did look at the [link|http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/CuttingEdge/cuttingedge011130.html| sterling engines. ]

[link|http://www.motorshow.or.jp/eng/show/history/history_23.html| Note the Nissan ]
New Re: Stirling Engines - Still on the boil (links)
Many years ago (1976) Ford had a 'Philips-Stirling' engine fitted to one of their standard Torino chassis models (see GM link below re engine), was 20% more fuel efficient than a standard engine of similar weight. Had fewer parts etc:. Started almost straight away (20 secs), but there was not enough advantage to change cars also they still require fuel although the range and types of fuel can vary significantly.

[link|http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/Geek/geek000320.html|Stirling & Miller Engines]

This link below highlights the potential of HYBRID DRIVE vehicles where there is more than one type of engine. This may prove the direction the industry goes in. Here is a link based on research done by the big US vehicle mfgs. The article goes back to 1997 but shows how long the industry has been experimenting behind the scenes.

[link|http://www.uscar.org/techno/ng_power.htm|USCAR ORG - HYBRID CARS]

[link|http://www.uscar.org/techno/hyb_gm.htm|GM's Stirling Engine]

Cheers Doug

New Damn, I was LOOKING for that link!
grrr....couldn't find it when I wanted it.
New Since this topic came up in another thread...
The Innovator's Dilemma predicted that car makers would explore hybrids. But they would never really be popular, and would come to be looked at like today we look at the period where sailing ship builders put steam engines in their ships.

The problem is that the technology still cannot meet the minimum needs for the existing market (for cars they lack range, acceleration, for ships lacked range) and won't for years. So you have to invent some alternate market to serve between now and then...

Cheers,
Ben
"Perl is like vice grips. You can do anything with it, and it's the wrong tool for every job."
--Unknown
New Boffo sig________fer a Perlmonk_________Aauuuummmmm
New Steam is unusable . .
. . for the very simple reason that there is no replacement for water, and water freezes. Size of heat exchangers to condense spent steam is also a problem (the Stanley stopped for water).
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
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                         Well...we've had several cars - (Simon_Jester) - (7)
                             Steam works also - (boxley) - (6)
                                 Well, if you want to go external combustion... - (Simon_Jester) - (4)
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                                         Damn, I was LOOKING for that link! - (Simon_Jester)
                                         Since this topic came up in another thread... - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                             Boffo sig________fer a Perlmonk_________Aauuuummmmm -NT - (Ashton)
                                 Steam is unusable . . - (Andrew Grygus)
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That would be like Scott taking the Wal*Mart cruise.
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