Re: If cars go hydrogen...

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Post #47,465

by wharris2

7/30/02 11:22:34 AM

Re: If cars go hydrogen...

Isn't hydrogen still (comparatively) expensive to make and store?

Short term, the hybrids (whether using fuel cells or something else) seem to have the edge. Even then the electricity has to come from somewhere. Start back on those nuclear plants, dudes!

The lawyers would mostly rather be what they are than get out of the way even if the cost was Hammerfall. - Jerry Pournelle

Post #47,557

by dmarker2

7/31/02 1:31:13 AM

Re: Fuel Cell Vehicles - recent links & activity

One way to get around the hydrogen storage is to use methanol in the fuel cells which extracts the hydrogen from the methanol.

Methanol can be produced from waste - one company showed that old sweets (sugar based lollies) could be turned into methanol. Waste of some types can also be used.

Links

[link|http://www.methanol.org/fuelcell/special/promise.html|Executive Summary of The Promise of Methanol Fuel Cell Vehicles]

[link|http://www.methanol.org/fuelcell/|DamilerChrysler cross USA trip June 2002]

[link|http://www.methanol.org/fuelcell/fact/dmfc.html|Direct Methanol vs Hydrogen]

Methanol explosive power can be boosted by adding nitrates. Methanol is the standard fuel for model aircraft using glo-plug engines. up to 20% nitrate can be added but the engines run very hot.

Some racing fuel has methanol blended with it.

Time article about Saudi Arabia - (SpiceWare) - (26) - July 29, 2002, 11:20:02 AM EDT

Even prior to 9/11, have occasionally wondered if - (Ashton) - July 29, 2002, 05:25:27 PM EDT

Re: 'If we sort out Iraq ' - (dmarker2) - (5) - July 29, 2002, 08:54:45 PM EDT

Now Doug..__ we don't want it for ourselves! - (Ashton) - (3) - July 29, 2002, 09:16:32 PM EDT

Re: Yup, I forgot - silly me - its the New World Order .. - (dmarker2) - (2) - July 29, 2002, 11:26:25 PM EDT

Interesting Idea. - (altmann) - (1) - July 29, 2002, 11:51:38 PM EDT

"The Warfare State" - - (Ashton) - July 30, 2002, 01:10:49 AM EDT

just because some arabs breed on top of it - (boxley) - July 30, 2002, 10:45:45 AM EDT

Yeah, and Pigs will fly on alternate Tuesdays... - (jb4) - (18) - July 30, 2002, 10:32:38 AM EDT

Re: Hmmm - 1/2 pig already flying then :-) - (dmarker2) - (17) - July 30, 2002, 10:49:12 AM EDT

If cars go hydrogen... - (admin) - (2) - July 30, 2002, 11:09:14 AM EDT

Re: If cars go hydrogen... - (wharris2) - (1) - July 30, 2002, 11:22:34 AM EDT

Re: Fuel Cell Vehicles - recent links & activity - (dmarker2) - July 31, 2002, 01:31:13 AM EDT

Fortunately, oil can be manufactured - (Andrew Grygus) - July 30, 2002, 11:46:39 AM EDT

We've also got proven 100mpg carbs, too. - (jb4) - (12) - July 30, 2002, 01:34:52 PM EDT

Right. - (wharris2) - July 30, 2002, 02:15:53 PM EDT

~14.5:1 air / fuel ratio for gasoline. Period. - (Ashton) - (10) - July 30, 2002, 03:03:33 PM EDT

Well...we've had several cars - (Simon_Jester) - (7) - July 30, 2002, 04:06:49 PM EDT

Steam works also - (boxley) - (6) - July 30, 2002, 04:39:01 PM EDT

Well, if you want to go external combustion... - (Simon_Jester) - (4) - July 30, 2002, 06:38:33 PM EDT

Re: Stirling Engines - Still on the boil (links) - (dmarker2) - (3) - July 31, 2002, 02:17:06 AM EDT

Damn, I was LOOKING for that link! - (Simon_Jester) - July 31, 2002, 02:08:10 PM EDT

Since this topic came up in another thread... - (ben_tilly) - (1) - July 31, 2002, 10:30:19 PM EDT

Boffo sig________fer a Perlmonk_________Aauuuummmmm -NT - (Ashton) - Aug. 1, 2002, 02:46:46 AM EDT

Steam is unusable . . - (Andrew Grygus) - July 30, 2002, 06:56:22 PM EDT

~14.5:1 air / fuel ratio for gasoline, semicolon... - (jb4) - (1) - July 30, 2002, 04:30:54 PM EDT

Are you serious? :-) - (Another Scott) - July 30, 2002, 11:45:07 PM EDT

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