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Post #4,555 by admin 8/10/01 6:40:17 PM Reply	Spork. I start Monday at a company called Bond Desk (bonddesk.com -- yes, there's a bit of Flash; don't bother telling me, I've heard it already ;-) in Rochester, MI. 5 minutes from the house, pool table in the break room, casual dress, great business plan, lots of smart people to work with, and a huge bonus program. Regards, -scott anderson
Post #4,568 by boxley 8/10/01 8:48:20 PM Reply	awwright! Our bureaucracy and our laws have turned the world into a clean, safe work camp. We are raising a nation of slaves. Chuck Palahniuk
Post #4,585 by a6l6e6x 8/10/01 10:35:25 PM Reply	Superb! Report what you think at the end of the week. Alex Only two things are certain: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not certain about the universe. -- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Post #4,594 by Another Scott 8/11/01 12:10:59 AM Reply	Congrats!
Post #4,595 by Steve Lowe 8/11/01 12:12:13 AM Reply	Right on! Congrats :-) ----- Steve
Post #4,598 by Ashton 8/11/01 12:32:52 AM Reply	Excellent - wouldn't do to have starving (mean) admin :[
Post #4,601 by bepatient 8/11/01 12:51:10 AM Reply	I hate you ;-) Um...er...well... I have no choice! [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #4,729 by Meerkat 8/12/01 8:23:13 AM Reply	Hurrah! On and on and on and on, and on and on and on goes John.
Post #4,743 by slugbug 8/12/01 12:43:32 PM Reply	Way to go!
Post #4,751 by ben_tilly 8/12/01 2:30:27 PM Reply	One down, how many to go? As someone who expects to be on the job market in under a year (when I move from New York City to ???) I am a little scared at how long you guys are taking to find a job... BTW a note. For all of Karsten's protestations, he isn't desperate enough yet. I forwarded him some spam from a place in Palo Alto looking for NT admins, and he declined them... Cheers, Ben
Post #4,762 by admin 8/12/01 5:41:44 PM Reply	How long it takes... ... depends on how long you wait before you start looking, as well. :-) I've been out of work for 3.5 months; I started looking 1.5 months ago, and I'm extremely picky. I only interviewed with two places and both of them extended offers. Regards, -scott anderson
Post #4,914 by addison 8/13/01 4:53:15 PM Reply	Ooooooh. and I'm extremely picky That's the politically correct term for that now? :) Addison
Post #4,935 by admin 8/13/01 6:34:44 PM Reply	Heh. No, that's the correct term... ;-) Regards, -scott anderson
Post #4,915 by addison 8/13/01 4:55:49 PM Reply	Well, I suspect you won't be long on the market, either. At least, you should have a lot of offers, from lots of places that have lots of Perl code around. And if you don't try and strangle too many of the coders who left it that way.... :) I've started getting calls again... so apparently the UNIX admins have dried up around RTP - and they're going DEEP into Monster's resume's and getting mine. (Which won't directly help you, unless you want to give up that Perl junk and come over to the Dark Side). But in a year, I expect a lot of things will be picking back up. (Or really far down, of course). But this massive overcorrection to the market I don't think taught the right people the right lessons... Addison
Post #4,941 by tuberculosis 8/13/01 7:08:45 PM Reply	Hiring freeze ice age Its still pretty lean out there. I've been trying to get back to Denver for the last couple months (for personal reasons and I'm sick of dogtown here). I can't find any gigs at my level. But I think there are cracks forming in the ice and I'm hearing rumors of things warming up a bit.
Post #4,971 by Yendor 8/13/01 10:29:21 PM Reply	Nah.... But I think there are cracks forming in the ice and I'm hearing rumors of things warming up a bit. ...That's just the arrival of spring to the Rockies. -YendorMike "The problems of the world cannot possibly be solved by the skeptics or the cynics whose horizons are limited by the obvious realities. We need people who dream of things that never were." - John F. Kennedy
Post #4,974 by Ashton 8/13/01 10:42:22 PM Reply	Liked that JFKism too.. May even have a poster somewhere with sl. different wording. Nice idea til the sloganeers made it as tawdry as Coke VS Pepsi :[ We have no shame. A.
Post #5,003 by Yendor 8/14/01 12:28:08 AM Reply	:) Got it from the AIDSRide booklet that arrived before last month's Ride. It had little sayings like that sprinkled throughout. They also had signs made up sprinkled throughout the campsite and pit stops along the route with other similar sayings. One of my favorites is: "We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams." - Willie Wonka I think I'll be randomizing my .sig with some of these AIDSRide-isms over the course of the year, as I approach next year's adventure. And I know I still owe the group an update/recap of the event. I'm working on it. Suffice to say, it's damn hard to put down in words what I experienced. It'll come soon enough. :) -YendorMike "The problems of the world cannot possibly be solved by the skeptics or the cynics whose horizons are limited by the obvious realities. We need people who dream of things that never were." - John F. Kennedy
Post #5,005 by Ashton 8/14/01 12:38:31 AM Reply	Nice. PPS - RFK used that in his campaign too ~ "Some people look at things and ask, 'why?' Others dream things that never were and ask, 'why not?'."
Post #5,546 by gdaustin 8/17/01 12:17:00 AM Reply	Re: Hiring freeze ice age You might try Wells Fargo Bank in Colorado Springs, if you're willing to do the commute from Denver area. I worked on a Tuxedo project from Dallas, but the manager was in the Springs. Also try Fedex in the Springs, Galileo (who I think was just bought by Cendant?), and BEA also has some programming/engineering offices in the Denver/CS area. Good Luck. Glen Austin
Post #6,220 by tablizer 8/22/01 2:01:12 AM Reply	Theory: Most jobs are where the weather stinks People tend to migrate toward places with the better weather. Since tech workers tend to be more mobile, they are more likely to pick the better weather spots. This thus results in openings in places where the sun does not shine until the snow melts directly into humidity without a middleman. ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #6,269 by boxley 8/22/01 9:47:33 AM Reply	www.computerwork.com did quick search on foxpro 3 CA jobs, several pages of jobs elsewhere. thanx, bill Our bureaucracy and our laws have turned the world into a clean, safe work camp. We are raising a nation of slaves. Chuck Palahniuk
Post #4,916 by addison 8/13/01 4:57:32 PM Reply	So in other words..... 5 minutes from the house, pool table in the break room, casual dress, great business plan, lots of smart people to work with, and a huge bonus program. There's nowhere to go but down, and it'll be your fault? :) Congrats, notheless. (try and make this company last a LITTLE longer than the last one, huh? :)) Addison
Post #4,936 by admin 8/13/01 6:37:30 PM Reply	Yeah, I've had a bad string. Previousprevious job: company sold Previous job: process of implosion Moonlighting job during previous job: on f-ed company with 100+ comments I warned them already... ;-) Actually, one of the guys who interviewed me said they were seeing a lot of that in their recent interviewees. So if you're going to get laid-off, a downturn is the best time from that standpoint. Regards, -scott anderson
Post #4,921 by tablizer 8/13/01 5:25:42 PM Reply	seesaw warning I assume that they are hiring because people are turning to bonds instead of stock. But, note that if the stock market picks up, the opposite might happen. I'm must the messenger ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #4,938 by admin 8/13/01 6:42:19 PM Reply	Nope. They're hiring because they're first in the market with the best product, and they need people. And actually, they made a place for me because they didn't want to lose me for lack of a position. This company is to bonds like NASDAQ or the NYSE is to stocks. When stocks tanked, the number of transactions went up. Similarly for stocks. That isn't a bad thing. An additional plus: this is a non-automotive company in a densely automotive-based area, so we aren't tied to local downturns. Regards, -scott anderson
Post #5,086 by tablizer 8/14/01 2:44:43 PM Reply	counter-resession >> This company is to bonds like NASDAQ or the NYSE is to stocks. When stocks tanked, the number of transactions went up. Similarly for stocks. That isn't a bad thing. << That is my point, isn't it? When stocks do poor, bonds do well, and visa versa. Thus, if the stock market picks up, a company that depends on bonds might shrink a bit. But, being counter-resession-sensitive may be a good thing because if they shrink due to an active stock market, then at least you are more likely to find an active market elsewhere. Then again, stocks and the economy are not always in lock-step. Hey, do they hire non-OO-fans by chance? Anyhow, congrats! Bummer. Now you won't have time to make that "killer OOP example" that you talk about every now and then. ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #5,090 by Fearless Freep 8/14/01 2:48:11 PM Reply	Nope A company that only counts on the transactions occuring doesn't care if the price goes up or down, they take a cut either way. Jay O'Connor "Going places unmapped to do things unplanned to people unsuspecting"
Post #5,204 by admin 8/14/01 9:28:43 PM Reply	No, that wasn't your point. You didn't read me. As Jay pointed out, transaction-based businesses don't care what the prices are. They only care about how many transactions there are. In bad times, the numbers of transactions don't change. Just the dollar amounts. Regards, -scott anderson
Post #5,308 by tablizer 8/15/01 4:15:06 PM Reply	be interesting to see graph of transactions over yrs ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #5,311 by dpeterson 8/15/01 4:30:08 PM Reply	Got some urls for you In general, it looks like when the markets are going down, the volume picks up. [link\|http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^DJI&d=c&k=c1&a=v&p=s&t=1y&l=off&z=m&q=l\|Dow] [link\|http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^IXIC&d=c&k=c1&a=v&p=s&t=5y&l=off&z=m&q=l\|NASDAQ] Darryl A. Peterson I'm not as funny as I think I am.
Post #5,017 by Fearless Freep 8/14/01 8:41:50 AM Reply	Congrats Scott! I knew you were too good to stay uninstalled for long and if you were, it was your choice. So...give us the technical scoop...languages, platforms, etc.... Jay O'Connor "Going places unmapped to do things unplanned to people unsuspecting"
Post #5,033 by inthane-chan 8/14/01 11:24:15 AM Reply	iwethey.employed++ Damn straight, ya can't keep a good man down.
Post #5,037 by Fearless Freep 8/14/01 11:39:47 AM Reply	Re: iwethey.employed++ for each in iwethey.members: if each.fullName == "Anderson, Scott": each.emplaoymentStatus=1 break hey Scott, fix the parsing :) The code tag usually says "unmatched tag" and the pre tag still adds line breaks..... Jay O'Connor "Going places unmapped to do things unplanned to people unsuspecting"
Post #6,688 by tablizer 8/25/01 6:16:51 PM Reply	Alan Greenspan wants to license your code ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #5,207 by admin 8/14/01 9:49:53 PM Reply	Thanks, everyone. The environment: Oracle 8i/9i on Solaris Lots of PL/SQL, lots of C++ (over a million lines between the two), some Java (soon to be more), and some Perl. People use everything from vi to VS there. 21" monitors are the rule, and I've seen a number of 2-CPU 1.4Ghz machines. I'm the first Emacs user, though. :-D I'll be sharing an office with the Chief Software Architect and another developer. The first day was godawful boring. Reading system docs, books about bonds, etc. Today was headed that direction, but the CIO came by with a developer who needed help with a servlet and some DHTML programming, so I spent the afternoon doing that. Regards, -scott anderson
Post #6,730 by broomberg 8/26/01 3:52:44 PM Reply	Must read book for people in bond market Liar's Poker Michael Lewis
Post #6,748 by ben_tilly 8/26/01 11:49:18 PM Reply	Agreed - it is a classic BTW the story is quite real. While I don't directly know anyone in that book, I know plenty of people who know people in the book. And I have even played Liar's Poker. (Once only. And lost. Badly.) And yes, I work in bonds. :-) Cheers, Ben PS Random industry saying. "The problem is that while bonds mature, bond traders don't." (Bond traders are always young. A bond reaches maturity when it is paid off.)
Post #6,752 by kmself 8/27/01 1:05:30 AM Reply	Working in bonds.... I prefer working in silk sashes..... -- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
Post #6,760 by Ashton 8/27/01 2:24:55 AM Reply	I prefer.. rather slowly____ working them off.._____:P

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