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Post #44,403

by Ashton

7/3/02 4:49:56 PM

To the extent that is true..

I don't think you can ignore the "self-flagellation" component of Puritanism ie "if I vote for what I Really Want... I might experience pleasure..

Sample re (IIRC) a Sinclair Lewis novel, in which is decribed an autocrat with his family at dinner. The kid doesn't want to eat _x_ and the father wants him to. Finally wife says, "oh let him eat what he wants..!" Father explodes, "IN MY ENTIRE LIFE I'VE NEVER DONE A SINGLE THING I WANTED TO DO.."

Yes exaggerated, yet - have heard such a rationale (once stripped of self-serving euphemism) in those 'explaining'.. how it was that, serially they chose:

abusive spouses. As below so above (to paraphrase).

Funny species.

Ashton

Post #44,405

by mmoffitt

7/3/02 4:59:39 PM

Good Point and one I hadn't considered.

I guess that's why so much of Christian doctrine makes no sense to me.

Media bias - (Silverlock) - (84) - June 28, 2002, 04:48:39 PM EDT

Wow - (bepatient) - (77) - June 29, 2002, 12:57:21 AM EDT

Wow - what an exercise in non-commentary on the - (Ashton) - (76) - June 29, 2002, 02:46:02 AM EDT

I just had a beer. - (Ashton) - June 29, 2002, 03:36:22 AM EDT

Silly. - (bepatient) - (74) - June 29, 2002, 12:06:00 PM EDT

Oh...btw... - (bepatient) - (63) - June 29, 2002, 12:08:57 PM EDT

Dumb me.. - (Ashton) - (62) - June 29, 2002, 05:12:07 PM EDT

Ok...I promise... - (bepatient) - (61) - June 29, 2002, 06:01:08 PM EDT

Bzzzzzttttt! Wrong answer. - (Brandioch) - (60) - June 29, 2002, 06:12:36 PM EDT

You've wasted 3 more... - (bepatient) - (59) - June 29, 2002, 07:52:54 PM EDT

Point of subtle orthogonal inference, please: - (Ashton) - (58) - June 29, 2002, 10:14:23 PM EDT

Instead of induhveejewels... - (bepatient) - (57) - June 29, 2002, 10:36:38 PM EDT

Target acquired. Commencing SLAM! - (Brandioch) - (3) - June 29, 2002, 10:53:50 PM EDT

Ah... - (bepatient) - (2) - June 30, 2002, 12:02:27 AM EDT

And you're still trying to weasel out of it. - (Brandioch) - (1) - June 30, 2002, 12:13:21 AM EDT

Read elsewhere...if you must. -NT - (bepatient) - June 30, 2002, 12:29:12 AM EDT

Oh... Riiigghhhht.. - (Ashton) - (52) - June 29, 2002, 11:11:53 PM EDT

Mr. Lehrer is Mr. PBS News not NPR News. - (a6l6e6x) - (5) - June 29, 2002, 11:31:57 PM EDT

My bad. As to Lehrer: Oh Yes He Can be held accountable - (Ashton) - (3) - June 29, 2002, 11:50:28 PM EDT

The "sponsor" - COMMISSION ON PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES - (a6l6e6x) - (2) - June 30, 2002, 10:34:15 PM EDT

Expect? Guts, not pandering to a set-up, ovinely. -NT - (Ashton) - June 30, 2002, 11:09:03 PM EDT

Hmmm, think "umpire". - (Brandioch) - July 1, 2002, 02:25:27 AM EDT

Silence == support. Particularly with a reputation. - (Brandioch) - June 30, 2002, 12:25:32 AM EDT

So its not good enought to just ist their networks... - (bepatient) - (45) - June 30, 2002, 12:28:04 AM EDT

You thought it would be? - (Brandioch) - (43) - June 30, 2002, 11:55:45 AM EDT

Ah, - (bepatient) - (42) - June 30, 2002, 04:28:52 PM EDT

Learn what "bias" is. - (Brandioch) - (41) - June 30, 2002, 08:53:48 PM EDT

So you assert... - (bepatient) - (40) - June 30, 2002, 09:17:09 PM EDT

Point of logical order? - (Ashton) - (4) - June 30, 2002, 11:37:27 PM EDT

Maybe you don't notice a bias based on the current issue... - (bepatient) - (3) - July 1, 2002, 02:11:26 AM EDT

Stats as of a month ago. - (Brandioch) - (2) - July 1, 2002, 02:34:03 AM EDT

So your point is??? - (bepatient) - (1) - July 1, 2002, 09:04:20 AM EDT

Read the questionaire. - (Brandioch) - July 1, 2002, 10:17:36 AM EDT

"Strawman", eh? - (Brandioch) - (32) - July 1, 2002, 02:15:09 AM EDT

Nope...nice try though. - (bepatient) - (31) - July 1, 2002, 09:11:21 AM EDT

And that's all the "proof" needed. - (Brandioch) - (5) - July 1, 2002, 10:16:51 AM EDT

Hopeless. - (bepatient) - (4) - July 1, 2002, 02:45:20 PM EDT

well you could always change your sig - (boxley) - (2) - July 1, 2002, 02:47:56 PM EDT

chuckle - (bepatient) - July 1, 2002, 03:51:35 PM EDT

The medical term for that is CRIS... - (bbronson) - July 1, 2002, 04:08:34 PM EDT

"liberal bias" "picking on Clinton". - (Brandioch) - July 1, 2002, 06:34:18 PM EDT

Bill, this may be a good starting point for you. - (mmoffitt) - (24) - July 1, 2002, 06:24:50 PM EDT

bzt - (bepatient) - (23) - July 1, 2002, 06:41:09 PM EDT

I suggest you read their site. - (Brandioch) - (13) - July 1, 2002, 08:07:47 PM EDT

Pointing to an alternate site - (bepatient) - (12) - July 1, 2002, 10:34:06 PM EDT

A different site? - (Brandioch) - (11) - July 1, 2002, 11:27:44 PM EDT

The >book<...my ever so sensitive friend... - (bepatient) - (10) - July 2, 2002, 08:32:20 AM EDT

A book on genetics, endorsed by the KKK web site. - (Brandioch) - (9) - July 2, 2002, 10:47:43 AM EDT

Brain death? - (bepatient) - (8) - July 2, 2002, 11:32:00 AM EDT

I will reconstruct the crime. - (Brandioch) - (7) - July 2, 2002, 02:06:38 PM EDT

You do whatever you like dear. - (bepatient) - (6) - July 2, 2002, 03:26:31 PM EDT

"Bias" is completely unrelated? - (Brandioch) - (4) - July 2, 2002, 05:02:15 PM EDT

Like I said... - (bepatient) - (3) - July 2, 2002, 06:28:27 PM EDT

Again, their position on global warming shows their bias. - (Brandioch) - (2) - July 2, 2002, 06:38:13 PM EDT

Whatever. -NT - (bepatient) - (1) - July 2, 2002, 06:39:40 PM EDT

So, your point is that a book store will sell it? - (Brandioch) - July 3, 2002, 10:47:40 AM EDT

Refs. be damned than.. So: - (Ashton) - July 2, 2002, 05:39:55 PM EDT

Was any research actually conducted? - (Silverlock) - (8) - July 2, 2002, 01:22:38 PM EDT

Goldberg appears... - (bepatient) - (4) - July 2, 2002, 02:37:06 PM EDT

That's not what I'm saying - (Silverlock) - (3) - July 2, 2002, 04:23:38 PM EDT

America is bi-polar. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - July 3, 2002, 11:31:08 AM EDT

To the extent that is true.. - (Ashton) - (1) - July 3, 2002, 04:49:56 PM EDT

Good Point and one I hadn't considered. - (mmoffitt) - July 3, 2002, 04:59:39 PM EDT

Interesting you should post that link... - (screamer) - (2) - July 2, 2002, 04:52:04 PM EDT

The only one that comes close to as many hits - (screamer) - (1) - July 2, 2002, 06:27:09 PM EDT

Close enough.. - (Ashton) - July 2, 2002, 09:03:52 PM EDT

Oh, puh-LEEEEZE, Bill... - (jb4) - (1) - July 3, 2002, 10:59:41 AM EDT

Actually. - (bepatient) - July 3, 2002, 01:11:30 PM EDT

In defense of Public Broadcasting - (screamer) - July 1, 2002, 01:02:24 PM EDT

Actually, it would need a rebuttal. - (Brandioch) - (9) - June 29, 2002, 05:10:51 PM EDT

Cool - (bepatient) - (8) - June 29, 2002, 05:30:39 PM EDT

Awwww, poor baby. - (Brandioch) - (7) - June 29, 2002, 05:54:39 PM EDT

Me? - (bepatient) - (6) - June 29, 2002, 06:06:15 PM EDT

Yes. You. Stop acting like a child and grow up. - (Brandioch) - (5) - June 29, 2002, 06:27:23 PM EDT

Excuse me? - (bepatient) - (4) - June 29, 2002, 07:48:24 PM EDT

I'm sure there is an excuse for you. - (Brandioch) - (3) - June 29, 2002, 08:11:01 PM EDT

And yet another... - (bepatient) - (2) - June 29, 2002, 08:18:44 PM EDT

Nah.. I think it's about the fun of ___Surprise! - (Ashton) - (1) - June 29, 2002, 10:43:09 PM EDT

But it is no surprise... - (bepatient) - June 30, 2002, 12:30:21 AM EDT

This can't be of much importance. - (Ashton) - June 29, 2002, 03:29:32 AM EDT

"Own the press and you own the People" - V.I. Lenin - (mmoffitt) - (4) - June 29, 2002, 06:13:50 PM EDT

thats why the repos dont want to support NPR :) - (boxley) - (3) - June 29, 2002, 10:27:56 PM EDT

Re: Yup: only rich country to SELL most all the airwaves - (Ashton) - (2) - June 29, 2002, 11:26:10 PM EDT

Sell? You mean Give dont you? -NT - (boxley) - (1) - July 1, 2002, 12:22:59 PM EDT

Yes.___WTF was I *thinking!* -NT - (Ashton) - July 1, 2002, 04:31:23 PM EDT

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