Also, do you have a reason to avoid systemd, other than religion?

Post #431,363 by pwhysall 10/22/19 8:33:18 AM 10/22/19 8:33:18 AM Reply	Also, do you have a reason to avoid systemd, other than religion? It seems to be part of every major distribution. I know it gets a lot of hate - but I suspect that, as is so often the case, there's as much politics and psychodrama as there is technical merit to the debate.
Post #431,373 by CRConrad 10/22/19 3:16:32 PM 3/14/20 1:41:41 PM Reply	For one thing, I'm an atheist... ...so I have all my religion chips left to play at this table. For another, yes, I do actually have grave technical doubts about it. And on the gripping hand: Don't panic, but Linux's Systemd can be pwned via an evil DNS query, Create a user called '0day', get bonus root privs – thanks, Systemd!, You love Systemd – you just don't know it yet, wink Red Hat bods, The D in Systemd stands for 'Dammmmit!' A nasty DHCPv6 packet can pwn a vulnerable Linux box, The D in SystemD stands for Danger, Will Robinson! Defanged exploit code for security holes now out in the wild... Well, no, those were just what I found while looking for https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/01/31/systemd_exploit/ -- and once I found that, I realised it wasn't actually an El Reg article I was remembering. (Maybe it was this one: Systemd-Homed: Systemd Now Working to Improve Home Directory Handling.) Anyway, TL;DR: This thing seems to be an ever-growing Kraken, getting its tentacles into anything and everything, and that in itself feels very non-Unixy. I was thinking to install the OS named for that Moomin guy -- you know, Linux? If this Kraut wants people to use his stuff in stead, let him start his own OS. He can call it Lennax or something, if he still wants to have people get it mixed it up with Linux. -- Christian R. Conrad The Man Who (used to think he) Knows Fucking Everything Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi Edited by CRConrad Oct. 22, 2019, 04:40:52 PM EDT Edited by CRConrad March 14, 2020, 01:41:41 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #431,374 by Andrew Grygus 10/22/19 3:29:02 PM 10/22/19 3:29:02 PM Reply	I finally had to install a SystemD Linux . . . . . Debian 10.0.0 "Buster" - because older versions cannot be installed on current PCs. Fortunately SystemD is able to launch System V init programs without problems (that I know of), or my client would have been royally screwed.
Post #434,103 by scoenye 5/21/20 8:09:13 PM 5/21/20 8:09:13 PM Reply	Devuan runs peachy. I've been switching all the machinery over since last year. Took some doing to get it going on Raspberry Pi but that hurdle was passed too. The only one left to go is my wife's laptop but that is not a technical issue. I have been using Debian since the Hamm (2.0) days. It was a surprisingly tough choice but I haven't encountered a reason to regret it so far. Stretch "stable" in particular was not very stable compared to what that used to mean and the ever increasing usurpation of essential services* by systemd with total disregard for those not on the systemd bandwagon pretty much made the jump unavoidable. * udev in particular was nasty. Poettering's changes made it impossible to safely use LUKS encrypted partitions without systemd as of Stretch.
Post #431,380 by boxley 10/22/19 7:53:55 PM 10/22/19 7:53:55 PM Reply	turn that ipv6 crap off "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #434,093 by mmoffitt 5/21/20 1:17:28 PM 5/21/20 1:17:28 PM Reply	+10 bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.

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