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Post #41,797

6/10/02 2:14:59 AM

Two options.

Or is it three?

#1. Attempt to solve it via root cause.

#2. Continue with the same plan that has failed for how many years?

#3. Surrender our freedoms with the knowledge that we're still not doing anything to stop them?

Personally, if we can't stop them, I'd feel better facing death with my freedoms intact.

I'd hate to end up fighting both the terrorists AND my government.

Post #41,868

6/10/02 5:24:51 PM

Precisely. Agreed.

As to #3:

(Even I..) believe that Murica ain't so universally ovine that an inexorable tide towards a Security Theocracy could proceed as slickly as - those with the brains of a Dubya, a Cheney or an Ashcroft (obviously) suppose.

I have no illusions of belonging to "a plurality" - but I have no doubt whatsoever that - I represent a minority which is neither small nor unmotivated.

The rationale for actual anti-Government *action* resides firmly in the wording of the Constitution; that is phrased not as an 'option' but as a Duty: whenever a government has committed actions which are prohibited in that Constitution. 'My Group\ufffd' would be a subset (superset?) of those who have read this document with comprehension and recognize what 'Duty' might mean.

Of course, were this to be an actual next development: nobody could tell the form which such action might take. But - as you say - for me and mine:

Option #3 can be dismissed in the Elder Bush-speak (with the characteristic language mauling of the entire Prescott Bush clan):

This Will Not Stand

(He meant the didactic 'Shall' connotation - in other than first-person usage - but then.. he just read it somewhere, and still: got it Wrong.)

Aux armes! mes amis
Better Dead than Unread and Illegible

Iceberg? - (Brandioch) - (100) - June 6, 2002, 07:59:10 PM EDT

The Department of Homeland Securistazi - (jb4) - (99) - June 7, 2002, 08:21:41 AM EDT

Nobody new. - (bepatient) - (13) - June 7, 2002, 10:16:42 AM EDT

Aw, there you go spoiling the fun. - (marlowe) - June 7, 2002, 12:40:25 PM EDT

You mean there's no breeding program in effect? - (Brandioch) - (2) - June 7, 2002, 01:01:33 PM EDT

Nope. But have anything change... - (bepatient) - (1) - June 7, 2002, 01:25:55 PM EDT

You don't pay much attention to the news, do you? - (Brandioch) - June 7, 2002, 05:54:33 PM EDT

OK, Mr. Smartypants... - (jb4) - (7) - June 7, 2002, 06:10:42 PM EDT

I'm on the >over< - (bepatient) - (6) - June 7, 2002, 07:31:07 PM EDT

I didn't get mine until I was 16... - (jb4) - June 9, 2002, 12:19:41 AM EDT

Except that... - (Simon_Jester) - (4) - June 9, 2002, 09:54:26 AM EDT

Yeah...thats a good one, ain't it? -NT - (bepatient) - (3) - June 9, 2002, 01:59:54 PM EDT

Yepperz...just like - (Simon_Jester) - (2) - June 9, 2002, 03:53:26 PM EDT

(You were expecting 'consistency' too? from Ashcroft et al) -NT - (Ashton) - June 9, 2002, 04:48:32 PM EDT

Re: Yepperz...just like - (bepatient) - June 9, 2002, 10:44:31 PM EDT

What really matters - (kmself) - June 8, 2002, 04:50:42 PM EDT

Stazi? The Register calls it Gestapo - (Andrew Grygus) - (84) - June 7, 2002, 12:10:55 PM EDT

It's not brown shirt - (rsf) - June 7, 2002, 12:23:46 PM EDT

Toothsome morsel from your eChampions screed: - (jb4) - (82) - June 7, 2002, 12:42:31 PM EDT

Aren't you forgetting one little inconvenient fact... - (bepatient) - (79) - June 7, 2002, 01:35:42 PM EDT

Thank you for pointing out the (now regular) irony - (Ashton) - (22) - June 7, 2002, 04:01:19 PM EDT

It can never be... - (bepatient) - (21) - June 7, 2002, 04:11:05 PM EDT

Er.. 'irony' means - (Ashton) - June 7, 2002, 04:54:41 PM EDT

So..Republicans are "bad" and Democrats are "good"? - (Brandioch) - (19) - June 7, 2002, 05:59:35 PM EDT

Are you that big of an idiot? - (bepatient) - (18) - June 7, 2002, 07:20:40 PM EDT

In case you are... - (bepatient) - June 7, 2002, 07:39:39 PM EDT

I'm still not following your "logic". - (Brandioch) - (16) - June 8, 2002, 02:01:09 AM EDT

I guess you are. - (bepatient) - (15) - June 8, 2002, 10:44:48 AM EDT

Ummm, remember, you are the one with the memory problem. - (Brandioch) - (14) - June 8, 2002, 11:07:48 AM EDT

I should learn to expect this.. - (bepatient) - (13) - June 8, 2002, 11:22:11 AM EDT

So you're changing your story? - (Brandioch) - (12) - June 8, 2002, 01:41:42 PM EDT

Brandioch's IQ strikes a new low. - (bepatient) - (11) - June 8, 2002, 04:54:08 PM EDT

Let's take this chronologically, shall we? - (Brandioch) - (10) - June 8, 2002, 05:17:46 PM EDT

Poor baby just can't seem to get it right. - (bepatient) - (9) - June 8, 2002, 06:26:40 PM EDT

Oh, I get it. - (Brandioch) - (8) - June 9, 2002, 02:25:13 AM EDT

Ah...semantics. - (bepatient) - (7) - June 9, 2002, 02:11:26 PM EDT

No semantics. - (Brandioch) - (6) - June 9, 2002, 03:11:03 PM EDT

Whatever - (bepatient) - (5) - June 9, 2002, 03:25:12 PM EDT

[Contest!] ___ Such 'plans' are not Meant to be understood, - (Ashton) - (4) - June 9, 2002, 05:19:35 PM EDT

Mental... - (bepatient) - (3) - June 10, 2002, 12:15:22 AM EDT

So then perhaps you even agree (!) - (Ashton) - (2) - June 10, 2002, 01:02:56 AM EDT

Two options. - (Brandioch) - (1) - June 10, 2002, 02:14:59 AM EDT

Precisely. Agreed. - (Ashton) - June 10, 2002, 05:24:51 PM EDT

Inconvenience is so...inconvenient... - (jb4) - (55) - June 7, 2002, 04:42:55 PM EDT

9-7 - (bepatient) - (54) - June 7, 2002, 05:02:35 PM EDT

Bepatient...you have to chalk up their complaints.... - (Simon_Jester) - (43) - June 7, 2002, 05:41:20 PM EDT

So Bush is only implementing the Hart/Rudman proposal? - (Brandioch) - (42) - June 7, 2002, 06:22:56 PM EDT

Closer to Lieberman's proposal - (bepatient) - (41) - June 7, 2002, 07:27:47 PM EDT

Technically "closer", I guess. - (Brandioch) - (40) - June 7, 2002, 09:02:01 PM EDT

Perhaps you missed... - (bepatient) - (39) - June 7, 2002, 10:45:32 PM EDT

Seems you flunked English, too. - (Brandioch) - (38) - June 8, 2002, 01:41:53 AM EDT

Laugh. It was an absolute reference. - (bepatient) - (37) - June 8, 2002, 10:47:45 AM EDT

If you want to play that way. - (Brandioch) - (36) - June 8, 2002, 10:59:30 AM EDT

Perfect. - (bepatient) - (35) - June 8, 2002, 11:24:44 AM EDT

Ah, your memory again. - (Brandioch) - (34) - June 8, 2002, 01:39:52 PM EDT

Sad. - (bepatient) - (33) - June 8, 2002, 05:02:07 PM EDT

Ah, I see. - (Brandioch) - (6) - June 8, 2002, 05:21:55 PM EDT

No. The admission should already be made. - (bepatient) - (5) - June 8, 2002, 06:34:38 PM EDT

Logic is beyond you, isn't it? - (Brandioch) - (4) - June 9, 2002, 02:21:31 AM EDT

OT: Amusing how you two are cooperating... - (a6l6e6x) - (3) - June 9, 2002, 12:44:08 PM EDT

Yeah.... - (bepatient) - June 9, 2002, 02:14:01 PM EDT

Spelling should be logical. :) - (Brandioch) - (1) - June 9, 2002, 02:22:40 PM EDT

I'm with you on that point. English could have more logic. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - June 9, 2002, 03:52:53 PM EDT

Do I espy a tiny clue-let lying behind these exercises in - (Ashton) - (25) - June 8, 2002, 06:01:52 PM EDT

Ferchrissakes. - (bepatient) - (24) - June 8, 2002, 06:37:21 PM EDT

But Of Course! - the thread was doomed to death by - (Ashton) - (18) - June 8, 2002, 06:48:34 PM EDT

Follow the bouncing threads. - (bepatient) - (16) - June 8, 2002, 09:05:48 PM EDT

That's bullshit. - (Brandioch) - (15) - June 9, 2002, 02:48:50 AM EDT

Chuckle - (bepatient) - (14) - June 9, 2002, 02:15:58 PM EDT

And this is the reason you don't ever state your position. - (Brandioch) - (13) - June 9, 2002, 03:05:17 PM EDT

Nope. - (bepatient) - (12) - June 9, 2002, 03:51:03 PM EDT

Let me explain ONE thing to you. - (Brandioch) - (11) - June 9, 2002, 05:01:21 PM EDT

Nitwit 101. - (bepatient) - (10) - June 9, 2002, 11:23:00 PM EDT

Oh that is too good. - (Brandioch) - (9) - June 10, 2002, 02:11:52 AM EDT

That pretty much settles it... - (bepatient) - (8) - June 10, 2002, 09:02:02 AM EDT

Awww, are the facts too much for you? - (Brandioch) - (7) - June 10, 2002, 12:24:22 PM EDT

So when you make things up, they're facts??? -NT - (bepatient) - (6) - June 10, 2002, 12:33:34 PM EDT

You must provide support for you statement. - (Brandioch) - (5) - June 11, 2002, 11:08:22 AM EDT

Simple. - (bepatient) - (4) - June 11, 2002, 12:06:36 PM EDT

And once again, you lie. - (Brandioch) - (3) - June 11, 2002, 07:27:09 PM EDT

Wow. There must be a new definition - (bepatient) - (2) - June 11, 2002, 08:52:40 PM EDT

No new definition. Look up "chronology". - (Brandioch) - (1) - June 11, 2002, 10:08:57 PM EDT

Please use the strawman login...and this isn't usenet - (bepatient) - June 11, 2002, 11:08:38 PM EDT

I think you give him far too much credit. - (Brandioch) - June 9, 2002, 02:31:55 AM EDT

ROTFLMAO... Hello, my name is Dan and I'm a - (screamer) - June 10, 2002, 11:25:10 AM EDT

french redux. - (Ashton) - (3) - June 11, 2002, 05:46:56 PM EDT

Yum... - (bepatient) - (2) - June 11, 2002, 06:43:06 PM EDT

Ahh.. candied Repo brains, prolly. - (Ashton) - (1) - June 11, 2002, 08:03:17 PM EDT

Can I at least have... - (bepatient) - June 11, 2002, 08:54:51 PM EDT

So what? - (jb4) - (9) - June 9, 2002, 01:33:21 AM EDT

Nice to hear you say it. - (bepatient) - (8) - June 9, 2002, 02:24:51 PM EDT

Mind if I ask a silly question? - (Simon_Jester) - (5) - June 9, 2002, 03:49:36 PM EDT

Not a silly question. - (bepatient) - (4) - June 9, 2002, 03:56:45 PM EDT

Now that.... I can agree with. -NT - (Simon_Jester) - June 9, 2002, 03:58:39 PM EDT

Re: shuffle of the deck - (a6l6e6x) - (2) - June 9, 2002, 04:41:26 PM EDT

I gotta agree with Ted on that. - (Brandioch) - (1) - June 9, 2002, 07:20:04 PM EDT

Dilbert's been there for quite a while. -NT - (bepatient) - June 9, 2002, 11:42:53 PM EDT

Perhaps I just start calling you "Red" - (jb4) - (1) - June 10, 2002, 09:04:55 AM EDT

That'll work... - (bepatient) - June 10, 2002, 10:31:10 AM EDT

The word from Mordor is..... - (Silverlock) - (1) - June 7, 2002, 11:05:00 PM EDT

Thar be Dragons_______\ufffdThere\ufffd -NT - (Ashton) - June 8, 2002, 01:51:14 AM EDT

Yikes! Took me a second there to get my poop back in a group...
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