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Post #41,524 by bepatient 6/7/02 10:16:42 AM Reply	Nobody new. Some 30,000 of the total are airport security personell. Another couple thousand federal air marshalls. The Secret Service (already exists) The Coast Guard (already exists) They're all >already there<...now they just have a new boss. (or will...most likely Ridge) And the boss will now require congressional approval...so they can veto shrub. Thought you'd be happy with at least >that< part. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #41,553 by marlowe 6/7/02 12:40:25 PM Reply	Aw, there you go spoiling the fun. It's hard to have a proper self-righteous conniption fit when people keep bringing up inconvenient facts. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html] Truth is that which is the case. Accept no substitutes. If competence is considered "hubris" then may I and my country always be as "arrogant" as we can possibly manage.
Post #41,557 by Brandioch 6/7/02 1:01:33 PM Reply	You mean there's no breeding program in effect? Nobody new. Then you go on to detail people who had not previously been involved in this as their primary responsibility. Now, to me, that sounds like Somebody new. They're all >already there<...now they just have a new boss. (or will...most likely Ridge) Like I said, no new breeding program. But combining the SS and CG into one organization isn't bringing new people to that organization? Noting that the plan would move the Coast Guard, the Secret Service and other units to the new department, he said that would give the secretary of homeland security responsibility for: Counterfeit and credit card fraud, handled by the Secret Service. Oil spill cleanups, recreational water safety and enforcement of fisheries laws, handled by the Coast Guard. Pest control, handled by the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service. Response to floods and hurricanes, handled by the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Regulating commercial activities and collecting duties on shipments, handled by the Customs Service. And the design of nuclear weapons and scientific programs handled by the Department of Energy's Livermore Lab. "By the administration's own estimates, the new Homeland Security Department would employ at least 160,000 people," Obey said in a written statement. Ring Ring Ring "Thank you for calling Homeland Security. How may we assist you?" "I'd like to report a 'possum that's been going through our garbage." "Thank you, we'll get right on it. Have you seen any terrorists around lately?" "No. No terrorists. Just that 'possum. Do you think the 'possum might be working for Osama?" "We'll get right on it." Ring Ring Ring "Thank you for calling Homeland Security. How may we assist you?" "I'd like to report a credit card fraud incident." "Thank you, we'll get right on it. Have you seen any terrorists around lately?" "No. Do you think that the person with the fake credit card might have been a terrorist?" "We'll get right on it." and so on.
Post #41,561 by bepatient 6/7/02 1:25:55 PM Reply	Nope. But have anything change... ...in Washington and you're sure to get alot of chest-beating about how they're turning the government into Big Brother. There is exactly 2 differences in what he announced and what is being already happening. One is congressional approval of the person in charge. 2 is reporting hierarchy. <sarcasm>Damn...must be the beginning of the SS in the US!!!</sarcasm> ring ring "Hello...and thank you for calling "Over-reactions R Us" You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #41,593 by Brandioch 6/7/02 5:54:33 PM Reply	You don't pay much attention to the news, do you? Nope. But have anything change... ...in Washington and you're sure to get alot of chest-beating about how they're turning the government into Big Brother. Hmmm, perhaps you managed to miss the fact that the government is now imprisioning people and denying them the right to see an attourney and not releasing their names? How soon they forget. Not to mention removing certain restrictions on wire taps. Now certain agencies who had VERY distinct and different mission before are being combined into one. No, no problems that I see. None at all.
Post #41,596 by jb4 6/7/02 6:10:42 PM Reply	OK, Mr. Smartypants... What the over/under for the amount of time this ">already< there" Dept. sponsors legislation mandating a national ID card, in months? (For the record, I give it till Feb03, so that makes my bet 8. I suspect that the over/under would be 7, as we don't want to even suggest it before the Holy Elections. Hmmmm... I guess that makes be betting the Over, which, I suppose, make me an optimist. Egad....!) jb4 "I remember Harry S. Truman's sign on his desk. 'The buck stops here.' Strange how those words, while still true, mean something completely different today." -- Brandioch
Post #41,604 by bepatient 6/7/02 7:31:07 PM Reply	I'm on the >over< They essentially already have one. Its called an SSN. It just doesn't have your picture on it. You get it when you're born. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #41,693 by jb4 6/9/02 12:19:41 AM Reply	I didn't get mine until I was 16... Ahhh, the good ol' days... jb4 "I remember Harry S. Truman's sign on his desk. 'The buck stops here.' Strange how those words, while still true, mean something completely different today." -- Brandioch
Post #41,719 by Simon_Jester 6/9/02 9:54:26 AM Reply	Except that... legally speaking...a social security card can't be used for identification purposes. (It's against the law.)
Post #41,729 by bepatient 6/9/02 1:59:54 PM Reply	Yeah...thats a good one, ain't it? You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #41,742 by Simon_Jester 6/9/02 3:53:26 PM Reply	Yepperz...just like the CIA can't share information with the FBI. :-)
Post #41,751 by Ashton 6/9/02 4:48:32 PM Reply	(You were expecting 'consistency' too? from Ashcroft et al)
Post #41,780 by bepatient 6/9/02 10:44:31 PM Reply	Re: Yepperz...just like Except no one gets the "Inquisition" when they require an SSN. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #41,653 by kmself 6/8/02 4:50:42 PM Reply	What really matters By your logic (and since we've already abrogated Godwin), the Nazi party in Germany was merely a reorgainization of the 17 million people (they already existed), businesses (they already existed), gymnastics clubs (they already existed), civil organizations (they already existed), and army (it already existed), with some minor rebranding and logo changes (and I wonder why I'm still so innately averse to such things). Fact is: organization is the most important thing, after innate existence, in determining the function, flow, and nature of things. Ask anyone who's assembled a crossword puzzle (or carburator) what the difference between a pile of parts and the assembled product is. Or of the assembly missing, say, a ball float. If organization didn't matter, we'd pay it no heed in business, sports, or government. Thing is...we do pay it much heed. Go figure. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] [link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|[link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand? Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead. [link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/...a_alert.html]]`

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