back when your betters were kowtowing to the royals

Post #399,247 by boxley 2/18/15 11:12:29 AM Reply	back when your betters were kowtowing to the royals we decided that having a state backed religion was bullshit and specifically wrote in the founding documents that religion can fuck the fuck off when it comes to interference in government affairs. Of course the religious have been fighting that tooth and nail since the founding of the country but thats what they do. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #399,248 by drook 2/18/15 11:44:40 AM Reply	Real question Which is better: Having a law that says there can't be a state religion, but an electoral process that effectively blocks participation by minority or non-religious people? Or having an official state church that has no real day-to-day influence? -- Drew
Post #399,249 by boxley 2/18/15 11:48:23 AM Reply	thats what you have courts for I dont think the current president was voted in by the majority smugs, do you? All of the fervently democratic folks seem to be open to non religionists, or do you think that the democratic party is against atheists gays and non whites? In the 1950's maybe but they have grown up since then Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #399,250 by drook 2/18/15 12:55:00 PM Reply	Colbert did a bit about this Paraphrasing: Don't judge America by what we actually do. Judge us by what we would do. America would never torture people. America would never judge people by the color of their skin. Etc. etc. etc. So you say we're open to atheists? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/05/congress-religious-affiliation_n_6417074.html The 114th Congress has a grand total of one member who is unaffiliated. That's 0.2% of Congress vs 20% of the U.S. population. Apparently people are 100 times more likely to be unaffiliated than to vote that way. -- Drew
Post #399,252 by boxley 2/18/15 1:02:43 PM Reply	eh? bhudist muslim hindu anglican lutheran catholic unitarian accounts for 1/2 of the crew, not exactly raging fundies, more a label Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #399,253 by drook 2/18/15 1:11:06 PM Reply	You count Anglican, Lutheran and Catholic as "other"? Catholic is the largest single denomination within "Christian", and of the Protestant denominations Anglican and Lutheran are both in the top 5. Not much of an argument, even by your standards. -- Drew
Post #399,254 by boxley 2/18/15 1:54:59 PM Reply	you counting them in the same group as liberty university graduates? I dont Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #399,255 by drook 2/18/15 2:03:03 PM Reply	That's a different question You're arguing that "these" Christians aren't the same as "those" Christians. I'm talking about whether a non-Christian can be elected. -- Drew
Post #399,256 by mmoffitt 2/18/15 2:26:18 PM Reply	Obama did. He's Muslim. I heard that on the radio.
Post #399,257 by boxley 2/18/15 2:49:09 PM Reply	Did Rev Wright know that? Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #399,265 by crazy 2/18/15 8:07:12 PM Reply	not a chance I am sentenced to coerced worship. I report to a holy roller judge. If I give any push back I go straight to jail.
Post #399,251 by mmoffitt 2/18/15 12:59:16 PM Reply	Neither. Both are equally bad. Having an official church gives the impression that organized religion has merit. It doesn't. It is an opiate.
Post #399,262 by Ashton 2/18/15 7:06:21 PM Reply	Clearly the latter, of course A demonstrated, unarguable irrelevance is the ultimate vote in such matters, and needs no violent other-forms of protest for the POV: to.. just.. Go Away (but one has to have patience for that to work.) We've had indirect, small-scale confrontations all along--since the Beginning!--about 'believing'; none of the modrin deconstructions discover anything new about about the fatality of such sub-routines running-in-background in an otherwise functioning mind (wherever That thing "resides"?) Will the 21st Century see occur a true denouement of the whole virus? Or will it require First: the extermination of the entire species (and most-all mammals, none of whom has ever been given a vote at The Green Table) to shred that DNA? SCARY.. innit? to be unable to predict that Answer, with any confidence. (You'd first have to disabuse every Believer of any faith that there can ever be Certainty in this world/such as we Are.) Love. It. or leave it, eh?

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