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New Basically, yes. And what's wrong with that?
The BOx gibbers on:
the wonderful democratic plan called the healthcare act is aimed a gutting the lesser middle class and forcing them to to enjoy the dubious ability to feed themselves as the truly poor while painting us as traitors because we are not going to enjoy getting fucked.
Could you try re-writing that sentence into two or three, then maybe it would become parsable? (If it means what I *think* it might mean, it's laughably wrong; but why argue against that if it isn't perhaps even what you were trying to say.)


The rich don't care, they can afford healthcare so the legislation doesn't affect them at all.
Duh, Sancta Simplicitas! This is wrong in at least two ways:

1) Then why are the financial backers behind the Republicans still pumping such a lot of dough into campaigns against it? They obviously have some reason, even if you don't know what that is.

2) Of course they care; until now that middle class you mention has got its health insurance from its employers, i.e, the upper class. If the middle class gets an alternative health insurance provider, the upper class won't have the middle class in as much of a grip on the balls as it has until now.


It is the people on fixed incomes that watch their monthly premiums go from $338 to $1140.
Debunked by others already. (Not just in this thread, by the way, but in others last week, last month, the month before that, and I don't know how often before. Couldn't you try to acquire the decency not to repeat already-debunked "arguments" like a broken bloody record, please? Thank you.)


Now if that is the best plan that the American left has to "keep less of my money going to Larry Ellison" then fuck them.
Sigh... Again, wrong; this time in at least three ways:

1) No, this is their plan to allow poor and sick people to get some health insurance. That's what this is all about, you know. (The name "Affordable Healthcare Act" might be a clue to anyone who isn't stoked up to the gills on right-wing propaganda.)

2) As per the other #2 above, the less of a grip Larry Ellison has on your balls, the more of a chance you'll have at keeping some of your hard-earned dosh out of his grubby little mitts.

3) Even if it helps absolutely zero in keeping your cash from Larry, at least it doesn't actively give him *more* of it, which is what any competing scheme he comes up with will inevitably aim for, so it's still better.

Ergo: No, (assuming your "them" means the Democrats), it's NOT a case of "fuck them" -- at least not as much as the Republicans.


Your only point seems to be "rich people! rich people!"
In short, yes. And is there anything wrong with that? No!

There are basically two kinds of people in the world: Rich people and poor people (and people who can't count to three, like me). They have fundamentally opposed interests: Rich people are those who own money, real estate, and corporations. It is in their interest that ever more money go to those who already own money, real estate, or corporations. Poor people don't already have a lot of money. It is in their interest that some reasonable share of society's resources also go to those who do not already have a lot. (Yeah, somebody might have come up with this observation before me. That still doesn't make it wrong.)

ARE _Y_O_U_ "rich people!"? If not, then why are you so hell-bent on defending _their_ interests, to the clear and present detriment of _your own_ interests? Isn't that just... stupid?
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Christian R. Conrad
Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi

(Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
New gee, I have a coporation a few shekels in the bank
to pay next months bills and I own a house (if I can ever get the fucking bank to quit whining about missed payments) So by your definition I am rich? Good to know.
If my choices are to side with someone who is actively planning on financially harming me now with the worst scam in american legislative history shy of the teapot dome scandal of the Grant Administration, or siding with people who on their best day do not give a rats ass about me or mine, Sorry I side with the rich party on this one.
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
New Obamacare is worse than Bush's Iraq War. Good to know...
New that was a legislative scam?
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
New AUMF 2002? PL 107-243?
New Wow. So how is the SEC such a deterrent of corruption?
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greg@gregfolkert.net
"No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
New Oh holy stupidity, please learn to read.
Da BOx shows that a remedial reading course wouldn't go amiss:
So by your definition I am rich? Good to know.
No, that was precisely my point: As far as I know, you are NOT one of the 1% richest, whose interests the Republican Party fights for.

And that's why it's so confusing to anyone who sees you arguing about politics, that you not only seem to have swallowed all their talking points hook, line and sinker, but also fight for them with such unbridled tenacity.

These are not your own interests you're fighting for, but someone else's; the interests you're fighting for are actually quite diametrically opposed to your own interests.

So why are you fighting so vehemently for them?

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TL;DR: No, me NOT think you Larry Ellison. Me think Larry Ellison not your friend. So me wonder why you fight so hard for Larry?
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Christian R. Conrad
Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi

(Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
New Oh sheeit... thanks.
Now I have to clean this keyboard out.

Me think it funny in post.
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greg@gregfolkert.net
"No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
New According to Jake I am rich, so why should I side with dems?
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
New Here's the thing Bill.
Your relative station in life and what you've been able to get going on has been the hallmark not of rich people, but of middle class people. Income disparity has gotten so out of whack in the last couple of decades that now those things are hallmarks of rich people, not middle class people. Furthermore, there's a different issue at hand; the rarefied air people: you know, the rentier class, of which you're definitely not a member.

You're rich, but you're not breathing the rarefied air. The fact that you're rich doesn't mean you should argue the interests of those breathing the rarefied air, and furthermore, the fact that since you've succeeded in hanging on to what you've got means that you're now rich rather than middle class is more a condemnation of how the rentiers have grabbed the air of the people who used to be around you (I'm sure there's one or two of your fellow citizens who've been on IWT that you can think of that fall into this category) to further rarefy their air. At this point, their air is so rarefied that they think they exist on a whole 'nother planet and have therefore become quite willing to feudify how they relate to the merely rich like yourself.

The fact that it takes being rich to afford this shit (when that wasn't the case thirty years ago) should tell you something is really fucking wrong here, and the "feedom! libreitbarty!" people are the ones that have been running this shit since the election of Reagan.
New well I must be rich my cars are paid for 2 at 1985 1 at 1996
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
New 3 Cars? OMG...
You are a Zillionaire.

I only have 3 cars... one is non-running Van. Ooops make that 4 cars... a 1969 in serious state of tear down. oops and 2 Motorcycles.

Gosh... and I just paid off my house. Woooo.
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greg@gregfolkert.net
"No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
New Naah, you're the increasingly rare middle class.
And you're attacking the party that created this class, the Democrats, on behalf of their opponents, the Republicans. It appears you do this in the mistaken belief that it's the Democrats who are destroying the middle class, while it is actually the rich people behind the Republicans who are doing it.

HTH!
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Christian R. Conrad
Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi

(Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
New the democrats did not create this class, the unions did
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
New And as we all know, they're creatures of the Republicans...?
New No, but since Clinton the Democrats have abandoned unions.
     Hecate send Obama to remedial Negotiating 101 - (Another Scott) - (94)
         that is what he is doing, his golf course isn't closed -NT - (boxley) - (71)
             Obama doesn't own a golf course - (lincoln) - (70)
                 yabbut its not shut is the point -NT - (boxley) - (69)
                     How do you close a golf course on a military base? -NT - (Another Scott) - (68)
                         same way you close a marble statue - (boxley) - (67)
                             Do you think about what you're posting? - (Another Scott) - (66)
                                 Re: Do you think about what you're posting? - (boxley) - (65)
                                     Re: Do you think about what you're posting? - (Another Scott) - (7)
                                         declined to go into details - (boxley) - (6)
                                             Hassling people isn't security. -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                 coulda fooled me :-) -NT - (boxley)
                                             Things are different these days. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                 and that is private, not federally owned, theater -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                                                     The GW Parkway and MV Trail are Federal. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                         my bad, I thought you were talking about mount vernon - (boxley)
                                     Wonkette on Lincoln Memorial in 1995 - (Another Scott) - (56)
                                         so, not the first time - (boxley) - (55)
                                             Republican's have done the same shutdown extrapolation... - (folkert)
                                             You think Clinton shut down the govt voluntarily, or did... - (CRConrad) - (53)
                                                 Newt didn't like having to sit in the back. - (Another Scott) - (52)
                                                     What I don't understand is, with this so well-known... - (CRConrad) - (51)
                                                         Box likes divided government. - (Another Scott) - (50)
                                                             pretty much :-) -NT - (boxley)
                                                             That kind of nihilist should get his arse out not only... - (CRConrad) - (3)
                                                                 decent realestate over here - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                     If you don't have anything sensible to say... - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                                                         the page was in your response that I should move - (boxley)
                                                             Seems in the first shock(*), I forgot the main point: - (CRConrad) - (44)
                                                                 heh, the wonderful democratic plan called the - (boxley) - (43)
                                                                     REALLY? - (folkert) - (26)
                                                                         no, they are not getting subsidies. Read the links - (boxley) - (25)
                                                                             Go fsck yourself. - (folkert) - (3)
                                                                                 can't its not long enough - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                                     Nope wrong conclusion. -NT - (folkert)
                                                                                     Then route it over your hip, not the shoulder like I do. -NT - (CRConrad)
                                                                             Which ones? - (Another Scott) - (20)
                                                                                 try a different demographic - (boxley) - (19)
                                                                                     facebook/healthcare.gov - (Another Scott) - (18)
                                                                                         And frankly ... - (drook) - (5)
                                                                                             And frankly, that is all... - (folkert)
                                                                                             so the definition of rich is now 100k a year? good to know -NT - (boxley) - (3)
                                                                                                 Median family income in the US is 50.5K - (jake123) - (2)
                                                                                                     good to know -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                                         So, another question... - (folkert)
                                                                                         60k a year $6,834 subsidy do you have a link? - (boxley) - (11)
                                                                                             That's what the KFF calculator says. - (Another Scott) - (10)
                                                                                                 huh, criteria is wierd, shows zero subsidy - (boxley) - (9)
                                                                                                     Depends on your state. - (Another Scott) - (8)
                                                                                                         Depends on your state., Thats fair and balanced :-) -NT - (boxley) - (7)
                                                                                                             States Rights!!!11 ;-) -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                                                                             I thought conservatives liked states' rights? -NT - (drook) - (5)
                                                                                                                 how is that state rights? its a federal subsidy -NT - (boxley) - (4)
                                                                                                                     A subsidy that depends on the state policies. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                                                                                         nope, I work for your neighbor :-) -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                                                                             Snazzy. Dunno about the flying top border though ... ;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                                                                                 shoot, they changed the front end again? -NT - (boxley)
                                                                     Basically, yes. And what's wrong with that? - (CRConrad) - (15)
                                                                         gee, I have a coporation a few shekels in the bank - (boxley) - (14)
                                                                             Obamacare is worse than Bush's Iraq War. Good to know... -NT - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                                                 that was a legislative scam? -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                     AUMF 2002? PL 107-243? -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                                             Wow. So how is the SEC such a deterrent of corruption? -NT - (folkert)
                                                                             Oh holy stupidity, please learn to read. - (CRConrad) - (9)
                                                                                 Oh sheeit... thanks. - (folkert)
                                                                                 According to Jake I am rich, so why should I side with dems? -NT - (boxley) - (7)
                                                                                     Here's the thing Bill. - (jake123) - (2)
                                                                                         well I must be rich my cars are paid for 2 at 1985 1 at 1996 -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                             3 Cars? OMG... - (folkert)
                                                                                     Naah, you're the increasingly rare middle class. - (CRConrad) - (3)
                                                                                         the democrats did not create this class, the unions did -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                                             And as we all know, they're creatures of the Republicans...? -NT - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                                                                                 No, but since Clinton the Democrats have abandoned unions. -NT - (mmoffitt)
         If the Entire edjumacate-da-Box thread is really OVER [LRPD] - (Ashton) - (21)
             yup - (boxley) - (20)
                 Still the same false-equivalence bullpucky from you. - (CRConrad) - (9)
                     Re: Still the same false-equivalence bullpucky from you. - (boxley) - (8)
                         As I said: What's wrong with that? - (CRConrad) - (7)
                             They provide jobs! And Pay to much in taxes! - (folkert) - (6)
                                 They provide jobs! And Pay taxes! fify -NT - (boxley) - (5)
                                     Not really. - (folkert) - (4)
                                         "Too", w. 2 'o'. HTH! -NT - (CRConrad) - (2)
                                             I believe that's an integrated feature of Boxlish... -NT - (hnick) - (1)
                                                 Forgot the quotes, here, take these " " -NT - (drook)
                                         Yes we do - (crazy)
                 Riddle me this, Boxman... - (Another Scott) - (9)
                     Suppose Jerry Brown had won in 1992. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                         Different question. Don't distract Boxman. -NT - (Another Scott)
                     your carbon tax would be feckin ginormous - (boxley) - (6)
                         Interesting thoughts...But I agree with your conclusion. :-) -NT - (Another Scott)
                         Sorry, still would have sucked - (crazy) - (4)
                             My former company (temporarily) profited from that - (drook) - (3)
                                 You took your feed from the - (crazy)
                                 was this the... - (folkert) - (1)
                                     That's the one -NT - (drook)

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