Remember when that was called "Vocational Education"?

Post #371,309 by mmoffitt 2/13/13 9:11:43 AM Reply	Remember when that was called "Vocational Education"? Expanding education doesn't mean training more physicists at the expense of welders. I'd argue that's a good bargain; educating more physicists at the expense of training more welders. But education is not the answer. I used to believe it was. In my twenties I used to think that most people were stupid because they didn't have the educational opportunities I had (which, in hindsight was false. I put myself through school working at a hospital as an orderly and still made enough to pay tuition, books, food and rent. I realize this is no longer possible because we've decided that after the banksters have extracted all the value from our retirement plans, our healthcare delivery system, oil and other commodities and our homes, we've determined they should extract all the value from our higher education as well. And that costs us all a ton of money.) Education is not the answer, but for those capable of educating themselves, we should not be training more people for today's jobs that won't exist when they graduate at the expense of educating people who will be the creators of next generation jobs serendipitously.
Post #371,311 by boxley 2/13/13 9:25:18 AM Reply	what, people wont have to sh*t anymore? dont need heaters or a/c? You will need to speak spanish because americans no longer know how any of that works Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
Post #371,317 by mmoffitt 2/13/13 10:54:30 AM Reply	Not my point. My point is that college is not the place to learn those skills. Those skills should be taught via Union Apprenticeships.
Post #371,319 by boxley 2/13/13 11:14:35 AM Reply	yes, not everyone needs to go to college yet today's highschools tell every child that they must go to college, the kids expect to go to college even thought they dont have the temperament. As for union apprenticeships, who is going to pay for that? They are trying to destroy unions in this country. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
Post #371,323 by a6l6e6x 2/13/13 12:05:54 PM Reply	Re: who is going to pay for that? The apprentice pays for it by receiving lower wages until they're officially qualified. OJT often works out that way. Alex
Post #371,324 by Another Scott 2/13/13 12:08:09 PM Reply	College =/= 4 year College. When Obama talks about College, he doesn't just mean 4 year schools. Back to Shirky's post mentioned earlier - http://www.theawl.co...w-to-save-college If you want to know what college is actually like in this country, forget Swarthmore, with 1500 students. Think Houston Community College, with 63,000. Think rolling admissions. Think commuter school. Think older. Think poorer. Think child-rearing, part-time, night class. Think 50% dropout rates. Think two-year degree. (Except donÂt call it that, because most graduates take longer than two years to complete it. If they complete it.) If you want to know what college is actually like in this country, skip Google Images, and scroll through the (still heartbreaking) We Are The 99 Percent Tumblr, looking for the keywords "student loan." Railing against pointy-headed academics is missing the big picture these days. Post high school education is important, for just about everyone. Cheers, Scott.
Post #371,331 by boxley 2/13/13 1:19:18 PM Reply	what does the 2 year degree get you other than having to explain the AA after your name doesn't necessarily mean you drink a lot Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
Post #371,334 by Another Scott 2/13/13 2:08:18 PM Reply	1000+ hits for "associates degree" on Monster.com. HTH.
Post #371,335 by boxley 2/13/13 2:21:10 PM Reply	1,000+ "Monster Behind" jobs matched your search HTH Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
Post #371,336 by Another Scott 2/13/13 2:22:24 PM Reply	Heh.
Post #371,337 by boxley 2/13/13 2:24:22 PM Reply	hey this is fun 26 Monster Butt jobs matched your search 8 Food Hole jobs matched your search Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
Post #371,346 by mmoffitt 2/13/13 3:50:48 PM Reply	BUT! The President ~~of Wall Street~~ is also NOT talking about resurrecting the union movement in this country. Which he'd have to concede if he weren't such a disingenuous ass is what really built the middle class in this country.
Post #371,374 by Ashton 2/13/13 9:58:41 PM Reply	While your summary of 'The Murican Process' sounds paranoid I rate the whole thing: +5 for stating what I'd deem to be as truthiness-filled as one is likely to find (But Not in any mass-media bloviations on Any Channel: advertainment or ... the other 500 Channels with nothing on. But Ads, then fillers, then some vacuous Game/Sport/masturbation.) We're fucked. In all orifices. Because Vulture-capitalism teaches every tyke that $$$ is the only fetish to be worshipped. And they Believe.

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