those 70yo were 25 in 1967,

Post #367,528 by boxley 12/8/12 9:50:50 PM Reply	those 70yo were 25 in 1967, Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
Post #367,531 by rcareaga 12/8/12 10:03:50 PM Reply	precisely ...but I used to keep company with a woman whose sexual and chemical conduct from about 1967 to 1974 was, to put it delicately, extravagant. When she found herself the mother of a young daughter in the 1980s, her social opinions flipped, and she wanted the same folks who'd sold her reefer in 1969 put away for life before her little girl was ever exposed to the killer weed. I suspect that the "tea party" ranks are swollen with a lot of boomers whose morals and conduct were pretty loose back in the day. cordially,
Post #367,534 by boxley 12/8/12 10:50:09 PM Reply	I would suspect you are correct sir Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
Post #367,570 by mmoffitt 12/9/12 9:04:31 PM Reply	Reminds me of that old ad. A young Black man talking about how cool it was to smoke dope. The narrator then asks,"What if someone gave it to your little brother?" He raises his fist and replies, "I'd crack their head." This has been my experience with the majority of advocates.
Post #367,571 by rcareaga 12/9/12 9:30:41 PM Reply	just to clarify The woman I described (whose daughter will be, I think, 34 next year, and who has a couple of graduate degrees) was an "outlier" in my circle, most of whom have kept discreetly inhaling the past four decades and change. Among those who became parents, I think they were inclined to prefer their wee bairn avoid intoxicants during the formative years, but at least a few now enjoy a relaxing doobie with their grown children now and again. I am certain that your own daughters, mmoffitt, have always been far too tactful to raise the subject. cordially,
Post #367,579 by crazy 12/10/12 7:31:39 AM Reply	Bingo I've seen it go both way. Hippie couple (peace, love, etc) raised their 2 kids in a totally open honest somewhat permissive environment. Both kids died of drug overdoses. They reinvented themselves as a 100% straight laced couple, lied to the next pair of kids for 20 years, and the kids turned out ok. But most put it on a shelf for a while, and are terrified their kids will find it and take it to school for show-and-tell. They won't smoke in their own house for fear of their own kids informing on them. It is a magic moment when your kids grow up and you can be honest with them if you live that kind of life. And pass the doobie to them. I quit everything at age 18 and spent the next 27 years being "good" (legally). So that meant I was not a hypocrite on the subject with my kids. I didn't even drink until they were around 15. Did't start really enjoying until they were both 18. I satisfied my responsibilities and then could move on. How about you MM? When was the last time you had a drink? Was it in front of the "kids"? How's your personal control? How many years can you keep up the "good" example?
Post #367,587 by boxley 12/10/12 8:34:55 AM Reply	I remember a few years ago with my son then 16yo Joe we were visiting friends when the doobs came out. I passed on the joints while my son watched from the floor as it was on a porch and that is where he and I were going to camp out. On our way home I asked him if he noticed that I wasn't partaking. He had noticed and asked me why not. I told him I didn't want to. Simple answer, no judgement being made. Just a note that its not mandatory to participate and no foul if you don't. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
Post #368,142 by jb4 12/18/12 10:19:25 PM Reply	Re: I remember a few years ago with my son then 16yo Joe Nicely done, Box! "No known species of reindeer can fly. BUT...there are 300,000 species of living organisms yet to be classified, and while most of these are insects and germs, this does not completely rule out flying reindeer. Believe." — New Mexico Tech's Office of Advancement 2010 Christmas card. jb4
Post #367,594 by mmoffitt 12/10/12 8:51:21 AM Reply	Actually, we have discussed it. At length even. And I was honest, as I have always tried to be with them. I told them that my personal experience was witnessing two children becoming orphans, four motherless and my own mother having head trauma, her femur jammed up under her collar bone, staying in hospital initially for two years and then spending a lifetime of return trips to hospital for additional surgeries all directly due to someone using the "harmless" illicit drug marijuana. I told them that since my own childhood was disrupted in a very negative way by that drug, it was impossible for me to speak about this issue without great emotion. But, I said, we could certainly agree on a few facts. First, it is illegal. Second, a positive drug test on their records could forever preclude them from pursuing some professions. Finally, because of its illegal status, using it would mean involving themselves with criminals. That is not an opinion. It is a fact. Using an illicit substance requires that you become involved with people in an illegal undertaking; criminals in other words. Interesting that you noted your "outlier" produced a child with "a couple of graduate degrees". How many of the "grown children" whose parents "enjoy a relaxing doobie" with them have graduate degrees?
Post #367,634 by crazy 12/10/12 4:53:52 PM Reply	Every single one of your points is based on illegality Every single one. Remove the illegality and there are no points.
Post #367,646 by malraux 12/10/12 9:45:15 PM Reply	Read in New Scientist today: Legalizing medical marijuana in Colorado led to a 14% drop in drunk driving accidents. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #367,707 by crazy 12/11/12 3:13:16 PM Reply	Yeah, and people like MM will say it is WORSE Sigh.
Post #367,733 by mmoffitt 12/12/12 8:31:11 AM 12/12/12 8:36:14 AM Reply	Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc. "Research" done by a former (or current) stoner, doubtless. Edited by mmoffitt Dec. 12, 2012, 08:36:14 AM EST Expand All History
Post #367,743 by drook 12/12/12 9:32:11 AM Reply	Ad hominem -- Drew
Post #367,748 by mmoffitt 12/12/12 10:10:00 AM Reply	I knew I shouldn't have added a comment. ;0)
Post #367,757 by malraux 12/12/12 1:10:03 PM Reply	Re: Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc. http://healthland.ti...e-traffic-deaths/ http://www.ncbi.nlm....2956/?tool=pubmed Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #367,758 by Another Scott 12/12/12 1:11:18 PM Reply	Thanks.
Post #367,762 by mmoffitt 12/12/12 1:29:34 PM Reply	The Time Mag article is verification of the fallacy I stated
Post #367,784 by crazy 12/12/12 10:18:03 PM Reply	So what? Do more research. Don't worry, we'll keep the light on for you.
Post #367,635 by crazy 12/10/12 5:34:01 PM Reply	That would be dumb He's got a great career going, no graduate degree required. He pays for the house that I live in. When he walks through the door after a tough day at the office I have his version of a martini ready. No pearls or heels required, that's for when M gets home 2 hours later. Obviously, you've done it wrong.
Post #367,636 by boxley 12/10/12 7:27:52 PM Reply	hmm, picturing you in pearls and heels.... Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
Post #368,603 by lincoln 12/27/12 2:59:12 PM Reply	Re: hmm, picturing you in pearls and heels.... http://www.flickr.co...7@N02/1328268295/ Satan (impatiently) to Newcomer: The trouble with you Chicago people is, that you think you are the best people down here; whereas you are merely the most numerous. - - - Mark Twain ÂPuddÂnhead WilsonÂs New Calendar,Â 1897
Post #368,722 by crazy 12/30/12 9:15:17 AM Reply	Watch it I actually CAN post a pic like that from my Rocky Horror days. Heels, lingerie, and fishnets as well. Once seen, you can't unsee it. No matter how much bleach.
Post #367,578 by crazy 12/10/12 7:15:52 AM 12/10/12 7:20:21 AM Reply	Nicely programmed Take someone who has made a possibly poor personal decision, and ask them if they'd want their little brother to make the decision. Add a little racist touch. Believe that is a valid viewpoint to spread across the assumed population, then use it as "advice" to those outside it. Then give a "validation" because all the YOUR interaction with these "type" of people are the same. Your interaction is dictated by your attitude. You'll see what you want to (or really "don't want to" but really you enjoy it, you get that really cool moralistic surge, you just don't admit it) Most of that person's "poor decision" is legal ramifications. And dangerousnous associated with acquiring/dealing. Of course you'd want to keep family members away. CONTROLLED. Like alcohol. Keep it away from the kids. It'll be a constant tug of war, but it will be an honest one. Right now they can get it, and pretty much anything else they want from the same person. And that person has an incentive to sell them smaller, more easily concealable addictive alternatives. Yes, some people will abuse. they already do. But most don't, and are being penalized for the hysterical response from people like you. PUT THEM IN JAIL. fuck you. It is NOT physically addictive, at least not like anything else, and withdrawal (ooh nooo, I'm blah for a couple of days) does not lead to seizures like alcohol. And no concept of pot dealers upselling to any other chemical. Poof, gone, the "gateway" drug concept disappears. I will happily share with any adult family member. I will not go near anyone younger than 18 (for legal AND moral reasons, they have years of brain maturing to go) and my preference is 25+ for general association. And guess what? Someone already shared it with your kids. They just are never going to tell you. You've made it obvious you will not accept any discussion on this point. Ooooo noes Mr billllllll. So now, maybe they decided they like it, but there is a clamp down, they can't get any, but the local gas station has this really cool thing called bath salts. Maybe they should try that? Those idiots in congress and the press call it synthetic pot, it can't hurt you, can it? How many deaths later? Because people like you want to keep a mostly harmless substance from the general population. Asshole. I wonder if your kids have visited the local gas station lately for some perfectly legal fun. Edited by crazy Dec. 10, 2012, 07:20:21 AM EST Expand All History
Post #367,532 by Another Scott 12/8/12 10:27:27 PM Reply	Yeah? http://oversight.hou...rict-of-columbia/ Committee Members REPUBLICAN Chair: Rep. Trey Gowdy (SC-4) (Born 1964) Vice Chair: Rep. Paul Gosar (AZ-1) (Born 1958) Dan Burton (IN-5) (Born 1938) John Mica (FL-7) (Born 1943) Patrick McHenry (NC-10) (Born 1975) Scott Desjarlais (TN-4) (Born 1964) Joe Walsh (IL-8) (Born 1961) DEMOCRAT Danny Davis (IL-7) Ranking Member (Born 1941) Eleanor Holmes Norton (D.C.) (Born 1937) Wm. Lacy Clay (MO-1) (Born 1956) Christopher Murphy (CT-5) (Born 1973) Yeah, age is too simplistic a discriminator. Maybe the people at the NIH and the ONDCP are right that there are dangers and no legitimate uses for smoked pot as a medicinal. I dunno. But the law and the law enforcement efforts clearly need to be reformed. Too many people are locked up for drug offenses. Kids shouldn't have their future lives ruined (by getting a police record) for experimentation that doesn't hurt anyone. And there's too little rehabilitation and too much illegal money is involved. Big changes are needed. FWIW. Cheers, Scott.
Post #367,535 by boxley 12/8/12 10:51:21 PM Reply	make up your mind or read what you write :-) Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
Post #367,537 by Another Scott 12/8/12 10:53:20 PM Reply	Agreed you found a nit - doesn't change the bigger point. :)

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