Post #366,662
11/23/12 12:13:55 PM
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Re: re Driftglass's "Jobs" post
If wages for welders suddenly increase by 30% to fill vacant spots, then others in the company are going to want higher wages as well. Most companies can't afford to have their labor costs suddenly increase 30%...
This can only happen if all of the workers in the company know what the hourly wage for a welder is AND they know that the company is now hiring welders at a rate 30% higher than what current welders get.
I can go to DICE and see ads looking for Sharepoint administrators so I can see the salary range being offered. Does that mean our Sharepoint guy down the hall is getting paid a salary within that range? Not at all. His salary could be way below or way above that range for reasons I'm not privy to.
"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."
-- E.L. Doctorow
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Post #366,667
11/23/12 12:45:00 PM
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True. Good point.
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Post #366,718
11/25/12 4:58:02 PM
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Hourly wages
Yes and no. You know what you are getting paid. You should (and I know I do) look at both my company (and others) to find out what salary they're paying for job (X) where X can be welders | sharepoint admins | etc.
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Post #366,756
11/26/12 12:29:23 PM
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Re: Hourly wages
I can only guess at what my company is offering for Sharepoint admins because they post the position on various Internet job boards without providing any identification as to who is posting the job.
as to what they are paying now, that will require the Sharepoint admin to tell me what he's making - and that ain't gonna happen! (Just like I'm not telling him how much I make!)
"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."
-- E.L. Doctorow
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Post #366,757
11/26/12 12:42:29 PM
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why not? That is how the coprs turn the screws
make payroll a big sekrut.
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
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Post #366,884
11/28/12 10:23:53 AM
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THIS
That's very divide and conquer. Not sharing your salary with your colleagues is how they get away with discrimination, based on whatever.
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Post #366,887
11/28/12 11:37:22 AM
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I doubt very much that your coworkers
know what your salary is. Ditto for every other member of this community. In fact, at more than one of my past employers among the pile of papers that I signed on my first day there was a legal document ordering me to NOT share my salary info with other employees under penalty of immediate termination.
That's how the corporations win.
"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."
-- E.L. Doctorow
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Post #366,889
11/28/12 11:49:22 AM
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Yeah, see
I'm in Canada, which is a different legal jurisdiction. A clause saying you can't discuss how much money you and your colleagues are getting is unenforceable here, and attempting to enforce it will only earn the employer large penalties after the labour board hearing and the consequent lawsuit.
Something about speech, assembly, and association rights. They are the underpinnings of labour unions... if you hate unions, you must necessarily hate civll liberties. WDYHASM? :D
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Post #366,891
11/28/12 11:56:13 AM
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The only salaries we knew at work were the Canadians
Because they were here on visas, and the visa law stated that you had to post a job opening with the exact salary before giving it to a worker on a visa (or something like that). And since the job description was fairly specific, everyone knew what the higher-up Canadians were making.
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
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Post #366,894
11/28/12 12:00:41 PM
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I have seen those, wont sign them
they dont want to hire me fine. At the last two gigs including this one I had to have them make contract modifications to take the BS out
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
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Post #366,915
11/28/12 4:25:38 PM
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Yeah, I've done the same
but not a whole lot in job negotiations. I've done it a LOT with leases for apartments though. You sit down with the landlord or their agent and the proposed lease and a red pen, and strike through the clauses while muttering "unenforceable, unenforceable, unenforceable..." If they don't want me after that, then fuck 'em, there are other places to live. Interestingly enough, that only cost me a place once. I pretty much knew it would; I'm familiar with the landlord and knew that she wouldn't like that, but wanted to do it anyway to make a point to her (yeah... small city here).
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