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Post #338,624 by drook 1/14/11 9:28:07 PM Reply	[Sigh] Fine, I'll spell it out. During the Bush administration, when anyone tried to say anything critical of the president, they were actually silenced, because saying what they were saying would somehow hurt the war effort, or our troops, or out national morale, or ... something. But now that some people are suggesting maybe the things being said by right-wingers might be harmful, suddenly you are a defender of free speech. The question was, what has changed that now you stand up for someone's right to say what they want, but then you didn't take the same stand? Have you only recently come to believe in the value of free speech? Or is it that this speech is more worthy of your defense? Or you could point out how wrong I am by showing all the times during the Bush administration that you posted about your opposition to critics being silenced. -- Drew
Post #338,626 by beepster 1/14/11 9:43:08 PM Reply	Give me a freakin break if your point is to catch me in some bullshit game of gotcha...then your going to have to go back through the posts and do it yourself. Personally, I silenced no one...believe I sided with the old bat when she was dismissed from the press corp (unrelated)...don't believe I was presented with a bunch of posts challenging me to justify the behavior you describe... So..essentially, you are guessing at a possible old position of mine (which isn't one)..then asking >me< to justify >your< guessed position. That's a game I won't play with you drewskie. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #338,692 by mhuber 1/16/11 4:49:50 PM Reply	One freakin' break... I don't recall Beep as having joined the "why do you hate America" chorus of the Right. On the other hand, pretty much everybody else on his team howled treason anytime anybody didn't sing the party song right on key. Some of us remember debates over people not wearing a flag pin. As a group, the Right has little respect for freedom of speech when a liberal is talking. As an individual, my impression of Beep is that he is an honorable guy who respects the right of the other guy to make a fool of himself. I haven't reviewed his posts and I'm not going to play "gothca" if he slipped up a time or two. His political affiliation makes him kind of like a legitimate massage therapist working in a whorehouse who gets upset when he gets asked for a happy ending. No disrespect for whores intended in that comparison. I'd have a lot more respect for the free speech side of this particular debate if the argument didn't amount to "we were just talking smack". Words mean things. "2nd amendment solution" means shooting people if you don't get your way politically. "Blood of tyrants" plus "this person is a tyrant" means "blood of this person." Beep hasn't been calling for bloody revolution, but the rest of his crew has. And now some blood is being spilled and they are all upset that some people suggest that there is a connection between words and deeds. If you don't want people to shoot at the people you don't like, don't tell them to do it. If that IS what you want, grow a pair. Freedom of speech is the center of our political structure because words have consequences, not because "sticks and stones". --------------------------------------- I think it's perfectly clear we're in the wrong band. (Tori Amos)
Post #338,694 by beepster 1/16/11 5:26:35 PM Reply	my team? you may need to clarify...as some would count as "on my team" the likes of Limbaugh, Beck, et al....hence you come up with "the rest of my crew" spewing violence. I can count on one hand combined the number of times I've listened to Rush, or Beck... Because some of our views are similar, doesn't put them on my team. Otherwise, thanks for the break :-) Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #338,720 by jake123 1/17/11 12:56:06 PM Reply	Are you an actual Republican, and registered as such? Then they're on your team. It's the way your political system works.
Post #338,722 by boxley 1/17/11 1:34:03 PM Reply	guess you dont know beep that well Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #338,725 by jake123 1/17/11 1:59:03 PM Reply	I've met him once ISTR he was, but that doesn't necessarily mean he still is. Hence why I'm asking... and the central point about being on their team if you're a 'card carrying' republican is well taken, imho.
Post #338,726 by Another Scott 1/17/11 2:04:26 PM Reply	Might be confusing him with someone else? Federal campaign contributions over $200 are public here. http://fundrace.huff...com/neighbors.php Beep's not there, but a couple of relatives might be. Cheers, Scott. (Who knows Beep's not an (R) - he just plays one here quite often.)
Post #338,727 by jake123 1/17/11 2:07:22 PM Reply	Campaign contributions is not the same as member of the party, at least certainly not here. Either way, if he is, then he is, if he's not, then he's not. However, anyone who is... is on the same team as those folks mentioned above.
Post #338,728 by Another Scott 1/17/11 2:27:55 PM Reply	True x3.
Post #338,729 by drook 1/17/11 2:47:30 PM Reply	Not just that It doesn't matter what party you belong to, it's how you vote. Tea Partiers may say they aren't Republicans, but when they vote Republican near 100%, then they're saying they may sometimes agree with the Republican party, but only on the things important enough to vote on. -- Drew
Post #338,731 by beepster 1/17/11 3:54:14 PM Reply	Think I was about 70/30 R this year including the locals this year. Mind you, where I live now there were a couple of county offices and local offices where Republicans were un-opposed. I did vote for maintenance of a higher millage for the school board budget (2 year extension)..which is certainly not a tea party position...just an informed position. For what its worth. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #338,780 by boxley 1/18/11 9:27:27 AM Reply	guess Im not a tea partier then Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #338,820 by lincoln 1/18/11 9:23:06 PM Reply	debateable but it probably depends on what day it is ... "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
Post #338,834 by boxley 1/18/11 11:59:24 PM Reply	the last repo I voted for was ronnie raygun dont match the profile Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #338,838 by mhuber 1/19/11 12:13:21 AM Reply	I voted for one last November Odd case in the Milwaukee Country Sheriff race, DINO vs RINO, both disavowed by their declared parties. --------------------------------------- I think it's perfectly clear we're in the wrong band. (Tori Amos)
Post #338,730 by beepster 1/17/11 3:45:53 PM Reply	No. I'm not. I'm registered in FL as NPA. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #338,748 by Andrew Grygus 1/17/11 7:19:22 PM Reply	National Pigeon Association?
Post #338,755 by beepster 1/17/11 8:51:12 PM Reply	Re: National Pigeon Association? No party affiliation. But methinks you may have guessed that already Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #338,675 by crazy 1/16/11 6:36:13 AM Reply	Errr That WAS a hell of a side historical attack.

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