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New Why would a business invest if there's no demand?
You're caught in the same bind as those on my "side". Money is cheap (if you qualify), and it makes sense to invest when your competition is afraid to, labor is cheap, inflation is low, why not invest now? Because there isn't enough demand. You've got to be able to generate the cash flow to pay down the loans, even if the loans are cheap. Without sufficient customers, you're not going to invest in your business.

So investment isn't going to magically happen on its own.

I'm not saying invest in housing and try to reinflate the bubble. We both agree that more needs to be spent on infrastructure. Lots of other things need to be bought which will get money into the economy and help things recover sooner. That'll gradually build a floor under housing and increase the rate of recovery.

It's not going to be easy to increase demand, but it's not going to happen on its own. Krugman was right - the stimulus/recovery act spending needed to be bigger because the federal government is the only entity that can increase demand now.

FWIW.

Cheers,
Scott.
New true statement
You've got to be able to generate the cash flow to pay down the loans, even if the loans are cheap.
printing money isnt going to do it either. Government employment for everyone isnt going to stimulate demand or pay off the debt
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New You're getting there
you've almost figured out how dismal the forecast really should be for the US.

Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New Eh?
I've been with Krugman with our hair on fire for a long time. I haven't been yelling as often as he has, though.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Krugman is wrong :-)
Start your own camp.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
     Felix: Fix the economy by increasing immigration. - (Another Scott) - (76)
         how else are you going to fix social security - (boxley)
         Think they may have causation a bit wrong - (beepster) - (74)
             The biggest problem now is the housing bubble. - (Another Scott) - (73)
                 increased demand for housing? - (boxley) - (7)
                     You know what I mean... - (Another Scott) - (6)
                         take the inventory of fannie and freddie - (boxley) - (5)
                             Depends on how it's done. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                 Re: Depends on how it's done. - (SpiceWare) - (2)
                                     Interesting. Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott)
                                     "As we've gone through the lessons that we've learned ..." - (drook)
                                 thats why lottery, no money involved - (boxley)
                 I'm finding this very funny... - (beepster) - (64)
                     And just in case that is too rosy a forecast - (beepster) - (55)
                         Why would a business invest if there's no demand? - (Another Scott) - (4)
                             true statement - (boxley)
                             You're getting there - (beepster) - (2)
                                 Eh? - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                     Krugman is wrong :-) - (beepster)
                         Companies are not "industry" - (drook) - (49)
                             Seriously? - (beepster) - (48)
                                 Where you stand ... where you sit ... - (drook) - (47)
                                     Not at all the same. They're only tangent linked - (beepster) - (46)
                                         I did - (drook) - (45)
                                             Different causation - (beepster) - (44)
                                                 You seem to be making a Supply Side argument. - (Another Scott) - (43)
                                                     Who is the customer? - (beepster) - (42)
                                                         What does that mean? - (drook) - (41)
                                                             dunno if you noticed, it aint the poor getting the checks - (boxley)
                                                             sigh - (beepster) - (39)
                                                                 Why should I care about intra-industrial demand? - (drook) - (38)
                                                                     Oh, and by the way ... - (drook) - (8)
                                                                         Software? - (beepster) - (7)
                                                                             Of course, focus on the *least important* part of that quote -NT - (drook) - (6)
                                                                                 What, - (beepster) - (5)
                                                                                     "Recovery means jobs" - (drook) - (4)
                                                                                         Re: "Recovery means jobs" - (boxley) - (3)
                                                                                             That was Bill's line - (drook) - (2)
                                                                                                 bill is right - (boxley)
                                                                                                 With a line like that... - (beepster)
                                                                     You want jobs, correct? - (beepster) - (28)
                                                                         That's not a point, that's an article - (drook) - (27)
                                                                             Get this through your head. - (beepster) - (26)
                                                                                 Quit with the shorthand - (drook) - (25)
                                                                                     Re: Quit with the shorthand - (beepster) - (24)
                                                                                         So you completely disagree with the "two economies" premise? - (drook) - (6)
                                                                                             Absolutely - (beepster) - (5)
                                                                                                 You're half right - (drook) - (4)
                                                                                                     No, its not. - (beepster) - (3)
                                                                                                         You're kidding, right? - (drook) - (2)
                                                                                                             welfare food stamps unemployment compensation - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                                                 Eh? - (Another Scott)
                                                                                         Big D. - (Another Scott) - (16)
                                                                                             To be honest - (beepster)
                                                                                             cheese - (boxley) - (14)
                                                                                                 Talk to Sorros about that. - (Another Scott) - (13)
                                                                                                     Central Banks >are< the market. -NT - (beepster) - (12)
                                                                                                         <Boggle> I guess that's how George never made his $1B... - (Another Scott) - (11)
                                                                                                             piggybacking a market isnt brilliant - (boxley)
                                                                                                             He made it playing the market.. - (beepster) - (9)
                                                                                                                 And...? - (Another Scott) - (8)
                                                                                                                     Would he have made that money without central banks? - (beepster) - (7)
                                                                                                                         You're not getting it. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                                                                                                                             how very conservative of you :-) - (boxley) - (3)
                                                                                                                                 This has nothing to do with the "Fair Tax". - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                                                                                                     from October 12, 2009 - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                                                                         Interesting. Thanks. (The rest of it is bogus, of course.;-) -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                                                                                             Oh, I am - (beepster) - (1)
                                                                                                                                 Hmmm. - (Another Scott)
                     It's the same most places in First World countries. - (static) - (7)
                         This "free trade" mantra is a relatively new development. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                             The kos artlcle - (beepster) - (3)
                                 I guess you missed the rending of garments about the tires.. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                     tires - (boxley)
                                     No, I didn't - (beepster)
                             Not sure if you are advocating the article - (boxley) - (1)
                                 He's saying that argument is wrong. - (Another Scott)

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