Marriage probably predates religion

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Post #307,161 by jay 4/11/09 1:01:55 PM Reply	Marriage probably predates religion The modern idea of religion in the US and Europe is largely derived from the Catholic concept. But marriage existed long before the Catholic church, and probably before religion in general. The Roman concept of marriage evolved out of the the pre-Roman family/clan system. And this seems to have happened in most places, where the early governments and religions simply documented and formalized existing practices. Jay
Post #307,162 by Andrew Grygus 4/11/09 2:06:48 PM Reply	I seriously doubt . . . . . there ever was a "time before religion". Religion evolved right along with humanity. Of course, so did social order, later formulated as "law".
Post #307,181 by jay 4/11/09 11:36:55 PM Reply	Unanswerable question That is an interesting and unanswerable question. The capacity for superstition developed right along with human intelligence. But when superstition becomes religion is a paper thin distinction that probably depends mostly on how you define religion. Jay
Post #307,184 by Andrew Grygus 4/12/09 3:40:17 AM Reply	Ummm . . . paper thin? That's a lot more substantial a separation than I'd credit it with . . . even though I'm not an atheist.

Mark Morford on the gay heathen hordes freaking out the - (Ashton) - (52) - April 10, 2009, 04:40:48 AM EDT

Wow...not too reactionary... - (beepster) - (2) - April 10, 2009, 08:21:21 AM EDT

well look at the bright side :-) - (boxley) - (1) - April 10, 2009, 08:45:45 AM EDT

:-) -NT - (beepster) - April 10, 2009, 10:07:07 AM EDT

Interesting point there - (drook) - (34) - April 10, 2009, 09:46:26 AM EDT

I have said that for years, the state has no business - (boxley) - (2) - April 10, 2009, 09:49:32 AM EDT

Is it? - (drook) - (1) - April 10, 2009, 10:45:27 AM EDT

Current law is the name on the birth certificate - (boxley) - April 10, 2009, 10:50:14 AM EDT

Re: Interesting point there - (jay) - (20) - April 10, 2009, 12:01:58 PM EDT

Words count - (drook) - (18) - April 10, 2009, 03:28:30 PM EDT

bing bing bing! - (beepster) - (8) - April 10, 2009, 04:26:55 PM EDT

I view it differently. - (Another Scott) - (7) - April 10, 2009, 07:13:23 PM EDT

You missed the implication of what I said - (drook) - (5) - April 10, 2009, 07:48:24 PM EDT

But the horse left the barn and is in the next county. - (Another Scott) - (4) - April 10, 2009, 09:00:25 PM EDT

Good idea, but DOA - (drook) - April 10, 2009, 09:17:55 PM EDT

marriage is a religious term not a legal term - (boxley) - (2) - April 12, 2009, 10:57:53 AM EDT

So they were covered on each other's insurance? - (drook) - (1) - April 12, 2009, 11:51:48 AM EDT

actually neither had insurance :-) - (boxley) - April 12, 2009, 12:13:40 PM EDT

nope, my marriage was illegal in virginia - (boxley) - April 12, 2009, 10:51:16 AM EDT

I don't think it would really work - (jay) - (8) - April 11, 2009, 12:47:49 PM EDT

People are lazy, I'm counting on that - (drook) - (7) - April 11, 2009, 06:52:43 PM EDT

There would be - (jay) - (6) - April 11, 2009, 11:32:44 PM EDT

I'm not trying to change the language people use - (drook) - (5) - April 12, 2009, 11:48:53 AM EDT

can we use a fade away shot - (boxley) - April 12, 2009, 12:15:10 PM EDT

Which isn't enough - (jay) - (3) - April 12, 2009, 02:47:42 PM EDT

in the real world the fundie gets fired - (boxley) - April 12, 2009, 03:14:26 PM EDT

actually a real world example link - (boxley) - April 12, 2009, 03:22:44 PM EDT

What? - (beepster) - April 12, 2009, 03:39:28 PM EDT

bassackwards - (boxley) - April 12, 2009, 10:48:13 AM EDT

Interesting discussion. - (static) - (9) - April 11, 2009, 01:27:01 AM EDT

I think that where you stand depends on where you sit. - (Another Scott) - (4) - April 11, 2009, 09:12:03 AM EDT

Yep, I've 'committed marriage' upon 3 sets, so far -- - (Ashton) - April 11, 2009, 07:57:14 PM EDT

I had another thought. - (static) - April 12, 2009, 04:12:16 AM EDT

thanks for proving my point - (boxley) - (1) - April 12, 2009, 11:04:12 AM EDT

My point, too. - (static) - April 12, 2009, 07:56:27 PM EDT

Marriage probably predates religion - (jay) - (3) - April 11, 2009, 01:01:55 PM EDT

I seriously doubt . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - April 11, 2009, 02:06:48 PM EDT

Unanswerable question - (jay) - (1) - April 11, 2009, 11:36:55 PM EDT

Ummm . . . paper thin? - (Andrew Grygus) - April 12, 2009, 03:40:17 AM EDT

So this thread became about who gets to define language... - (CRConrad) - (13) - Sept. 30, 2010, 07:37:52 AM EDT

1. doesnt matter, - (boxley) - (1) - Sept. 30, 2010, 07:42:29 AM EDT

You're missing the point by a mile, as usual. - (CRConrad) - Oct. 1, 2010, 05:45:17 AM EDT

Define "married" - (drook) - (4) - Sept. 30, 2010, 10:02:54 AM EDT

Married=Living in a civil union(religious blessing optional) - (CRConrad) - (3) - Oct. 1, 2010, 06:10:50 AM EDT

Dammit, you're making a good point - (drook) - Oct. 1, 2010, 09:20:19 AM EDT

Well said. Here's an interesting summary. - (Another Scott) - Oct. 13, 2010, 01:33:24 PM EDT

Stuart Chase ceased revolving-in-grave upon this utterance - (Ashton) - Oct. 13, 2010, 07:41:02 PM EDT

Each religion can define it for themselves - (mhuber) - (5) - Oct. 1, 2010, 01:55:57 PM EDT

Sure-if they also name it for themselves.'Coz "marriage"... - (CRConrad) - (4) - Oct. 2, 2010, 07:14:39 PM EDT

FWIW, this Xian agrees with me - (drook) - (3) - Oct. 13, 2010, 11:31:02 AM EDT

I'm dealing with this right now - (crazy) - (2) - Oct. 13, 2010, 02:02:46 PM EDT

I can picture the joke now - (boxley) - (1) - Oct. 13, 2010, 02:44:56 PM EDT

It writes itself. - (crazy) - Oct. 14, 2010, 11:16:19 AM EDT

Narf!
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