Post #3,062
7/30/01 2:02:40 PM
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Re: Two weeks ago I soloed.
Any pilots here?
Not yet, dammit.
Checkride's set for the 11th, presuming I pass my written this week.
Right now I'm just allowed to kill myself in the 172. :)
BTW, congrats on the solo... So... what was it like?
Addison
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Post #3,225
7/31/01 11:35:59 AM
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Good Luck!
Although if your CFI says you're ready, you are and you don't need luck ;-)
I'm flying a C-150A (1961) - I was 2 when they built this thing <:-O out of C-62 (Kendallville, Indiana).
Got my first X-country next Friday. I made 3 landings on the first solo. My instructor took me up and we made one landing, I was about to turn around and he says, "Well, why don't you just pull over here and I'll go back in. Take her up and make 2 or 3 landings, don't do any more than 3, and quit if you get tired. You feel okay about that?" I said, "Absolutely." (I was lying of course, feeling adrenaline starting to pump). So, I back-taxi and take off. I stayed in the pattern and I actually landed before I even knew he wasn't in the plane with me. After I stopped I was ecstatic! I remember saying to myself, "Okay, okay. You did it. Now calm down or your gonna forget something!" I opened up my window as I was back-taxing again, pulled over, quickly scanned everything and I was taxing back on to 28 for take-off. I was so damned excited - I knew I'd forget something and I did. I left the damned window open until I'd started my roll-out. Got it closed before I got any speed up, I still felt a little red-faced.
So, off I go again, turn cross, turn downwind, look out the right side and then for some reason I looked down at the empty seat next to me. That's when it hit me, "Woe baby. I really am up here 800 AGL alone. Okay, settle down, fly the plane, fly the plane." It was awful, I turned so damned early on base that I almost had to go around, but I didn't. Landed a little further down the runway, but all in all not a bad landing. I got irritated with myself though, enough that I did much better on my last trip.
I'll never forget that experience. Yesterday I made my 3rd lonesome trip and finally, finally, finally got to leave the damned pattern ;-) Now that was *very* cool. I had an hour by myself, nobody to tell me how high to go, nor in which direction - you can't buy freedom like that.
Growing up 2 blocks from McDonnell-Douglas in Long Beach, I've wanted to do this since I was 8 years old. I still feel like I need to wake up - this is truly a dream come true for me. Every newbie pilot, I imagine, feels the same way.
bcnu, Mikem
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Post #3,232
7/31/01 12:09:36 PM
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The *really* scary part is yet to come. :)
And that's when you're at the airport - ALONE soloing. :)
The Solo cross-country will getcha, too. Especially when you get lost. :)
(I had a long one to fill out my time, and to go a ways, and my DG screwed up on me (And I didn't think to *duh* set it off a VOR station)) on the way back.
Quite Interesting.
Yeah, a 150 solo probably handles a bit differently, too. I'm in a '78 172, so its not such a huge difference.
Sunday I went out after the FBO closed, and went to the airport I was cleared to solo to (where they give the written). Not that far from where I'm practicing my manuvers (next to the Nuke Plant) (Over a lake/mostly deserted land).
Biggest problem I've got is my right steep turn. Left is fine, right's a problem.
And boy, do I hate power-on stalls. :)
Wait til you almost get into a spin. THAT'LL Wake you up. :)
Wish I could fit into a 150, those are affordable. :)
Congrats... So are you dealing with towers yet?
Addison
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Post #3,254
7/31/01 1:37:00 PM
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XC First, Towers next.
There's a guy just ahead of me where I'm learning. He just finished his dual XC and I asked my instructor if he was going to solo XC next. He said that he likes to dual XC, then dual to an aiport w/tower next. So, I guess next week I'll be talking to a tower ;-)
My CFI owns a 182 and he took my daughters and me up one day a couple weeks ago (EAA Young Eagles flight). He let me fly it a bit on one of the flights and I could not believe the difference. With the 150, you barely put any pressure on the wheel, I felt like I was doing a bench press on the 182 by comparison. And ground speed, I couldn't believe it!
I've never flown a 172, have you flown a 150 or 152? I've gotta believe there's a non-trivial difference. Some of the pilots at our place that regularly fly Pipers say they don't like to fly the 150 - they feel like it gets away from them too easily. I almost took lessons in a 172 (I hope to buy one in Summer '03). But, I talked to my wife's uncle (runs Bill's AeroService in southern Indiana) and he recommended the 150. He and his son both said, "The 172 kind of wants to help you. If you learn in the 150, you'll be a better pilot for it." Not knowing anything about flying when I started, that was enough for me to decide on training in the 150, which, btw, is not approved for spins :-)
I haven't tried a power-on stall by myself yet. I imagine that'll scare hell out of me. Thought I'd do it one more time dual since I haven't been doing anything but take-offs and landings of late. Crosswind landings were pretty exciting. With stalls, thinking about it for me is worse than doing it. When I'm doing it, it doesn't seem that big a deal, but knowing that I could enter a spin if I don't keep those wings level, <shudder>.
I haven't practiced ground-reference maneuvers in a while, I pretty much sucked at that the first time or two. Steep turns I did okay, (except the last time). On my last turn to the right, I started out pointing 180 and finished at 270. Smooth.
I just finished ground school and will probably take the exam next week some time (assuming I can get some time between now and then to commit all those FAR's to memory).
bcnu, Mikem
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Post #3,342
7/31/01 11:40:57 PM
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Heck, do 'em at the same time. :)
I did..
First was about 30 mins each way to Class D, and then went to the beach to eat seafood, and back.
You'll not do the x-country planning well enough. Trust me. :)
Make sure you make a good note of which runways they are - you'll probably be cleared to land before you see the airport - and they'll tell you to make a 2 mile right base or something unusual... after being ingrained with the pattern, it'll catch you off-guard. :)
I've never flown a 172, have you flown a 150 or 152? I've gotta believe there's a non-trivial difference.
I imagine that'll scare hell out of me.
Nah, power-ons aren't scary, just you're pointed up at the sky... pushed back in the seat - and slowing down. :)
When I'm doing it, it doesn't seem that big a deal, but knowing that I could enter a spin if I don't keep those wings level,
NO!
Don't think wings. Think rudder. Rudder. Rudder. :)
(assuming I can get some time between now and then to commit all those FAR's to memory).
I did it as I went along... Got the jeppeson tapes, and If I'd stop mudding, should watch them. :)
Addison
Nope. I don't fit in a 152. Well, I do, but not a CFI to check me out on it, too.
I hear they're a little more nimble, more fighterlike. 172's are supposedly a bit more stable. Of course, the change in the solo/CFI are a lot more drastic, I hear. :)
I almost took lessons in a 172 (I hope to buy one in Summer '03).
Not a bad move to do that - insurance will be less the more hours and time in type you've got.
which, btw, is not approved for spins :-)
Actually, they are. I almost spun once, went about 90 degrees to the left in under a second.
Wasn't as scary at the time that it is now.
I'm going to find somebodywhich, btw, is not approved for spins :-) who's got a spinnable plane, and I intend to go ahead and spin a few times. I've read a lot of older-time pilots talking about how silly it is *not* to teach spins.
So I'm going to go up and spin a few times, and be certain I know how to get out of them. :)
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Post #3,503
8/1/01 5:48:54 PM
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Couple Questions.
How many hours do you have? (PIC and DUAL).
Do you own the 172 you're flying? If so, and if you don't mind my asking, what's insurance running you/year?
I'm going to be doing my XC planning tonight (and tomorrow probably ;-)
Thanks for the pointers.
bcnu, Mikem
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Post #3,545
8/1/01 8:59:45 PM
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Re: Couple Questions.
Right now?
22.3 PIC, 46.1 Dual. 68.4 total.
Nope, course not.
Can't afford a 172. :)
Not a current one, anyway. $55-60. For that I can get a Cherokee 180, with more performance, maybe even the Grumman Tiger I *really* want.
Insurance - nothing right now, I'm under my CFI's. I've been quoted about $960 from AOPA for renters insurance.
Don't know what your CFI told you. Plot where your Top Of Climb will be, because if your direction is off, you might can see it by then. (And it really confuses the time to have the first waypoint somewhere else).
So have a line there. Make a note somewhere of FSS and such, approaches you might want to get flight following from.
My flight instructor jumped me with "where are we' and "when will we be" etc.. so get a watch (one on your hand doesn't work well. :) - I got a $10 cheapo, with big display, and put it with some velcro straps from a server rack around my clipboard (you need a clipboard), and then when I get to a waypoint, note when, and then know how far to the next one.
Addison
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Post #3,603
8/2/01 9:52:59 AM
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Thanks.
I got renter's insurance for $330 ($500,000 liability and only $10,000 for the plane I'm flying - a 61 C150A won't be worth much more than that ;-)
I'll bump it later, of course.
Right now, it doesn't look as though we'll even be flying tomorrow (warm front is hanging around - 40% chance of thunderstorms along route tomorrow morning - when I'm supposed to fly).
I was gonna hit www.duats.com today, but at this point I'm less than hopeful.
Thanks for the tips, I suspect my CFI will be asking me about every 30 seconds where we are, how long until we get to X, etc. as well.
bcnu, Mikem
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Post #3,645
8/2/01 5:00:09 PM
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Re: Thanks.
my CFIs have insurance to cover me, so its not an issue right now.
Days like that might be good, might be bad. I've flown on days with 40% TS - because they were already past.
Nah, he'll wait for you/let you screw up first. :)
Addison
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