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Post #29,929
by bepatient
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2/26/02 10:33:38 PM
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New Karsten gave me the archives...
maybe I can find something

I don't think I was the only one to notice either.

Not that I think they needed IWE to do the job...but if you recall we did alot of fine tuning of analogies...and a fair amount of technical shredding of the MS defense documents.

As I said...could have very well been coincidence.

And at the time..there really wasn't anyplace on the web like IWE for well reasoned technical discussions. At least not that I'd found. There were some pretty heavy hitters signed in over at IWE.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

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Post #30,116
by Ashton
2/28/02 1:59:42 AM
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New True - the roster was larger (and heavier?)
Sad part - that those IWE archives are inaccessible.. there were some textbook grade explanations of lots of things - worth preserving. They've been through at least 3 Rent-a-Site morphs since then.

I thought that Ben and others downloaded a bunch; some CDs were made. Missed opportunity #103 [??]

Dear DOJ,

Here are some distilled exchanges re Topics 12, 15, 54A ...n involving persons with the listed credentials. These appear to relate to your present concerns - as to the technical effects of various actions by the MS Corp. Refs. included for the entire threads, of which these are excerpts.

Well.. something like that.


Ashton
Post #30,128
by imric
2/28/02 6:01:37 AM
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New If you are nice
I'm sure Bepatient would email you the archives.. *grin*

-or-

Beep, maybe you could put them on the web?
Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #30,143
by bepatient
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2/28/02 10:43:19 AM
2/28/02 10:48:33 AM
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New Would have to be ftp...
...the files are actually rather large in the state I have them.

The gzipped archive is 200mb or thereabouts, IIRC...maybe a little smaller.

As for posting them to the web...I think we discussed that and decided that we would need everyone to agree to repost...including the IW management...and decided that would be a mondo pain in the ass.

You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #30,253
by kmself
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2/28/02 8:00:59 PM
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New Legal
My sense is that the only source likely to cause trouble would be IWE, and that there's a combination of implied license by individual contributors and relatively low legal risk, to repost comments by others.

This is one of the reasons I did a "posts by author" correspondence. This could be used to weed out the IWE-authored posts. Essentially, column text, posts by the various columnists, and the forum editor's comments. All else should be largely in the clear.

IANAL, TINLA, YADA.
--
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]
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What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
Post #30,312
by bepatient
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3/1/02 10:27:25 AM
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New Thats essentially my thinking.
But I too am not a lawyer.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

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     Judge order MS to hand over source code - (JayMehaffey) - (149) - Feb. 16, 2002, 12:07:30 PM EST
         Re: Judge order MS to hand over source code - (Yendor) - Feb. 16, 2002, 02:29:50 PM EST
         What a precedent! - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2002, 03:12:07 PM EST
             If it's true, CKK certainly has guts - (tonytib) - Feb. 16, 2002, 06:08:05 PM EST
         Holy mother of pearl! - (Silverlock) - Feb. 17, 2002, 02:23:18 AM EST
         Interesting (?) vote percentages - (Ashton) - (1) - Feb. 17, 2002, 05:57:24 PM EST
             I'm wondering about the size of the fine - (Silverlock) - Feb. 17, 2002, 06:43:18 PM EST
         How to test it? - (Brandioch) - (4) - Feb. 18, 2002, 07:56:49 PM EST
             General idea - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Feb. 18, 2002, 10:28:31 PM EST
                 Obfuscation. - (static) - (2) - Feb. 18, 2002, 10:46:34 PM EST
                     Re: Obfuscation (I guess you're against it...) - (jb4) - (1) - Feb. 19, 2002, 09:33:22 AM EST
                         OT: I am getting *so* many comments about by my icon! :-) -NT - (static) - Feb. 20, 2002, 12:51:23 AM EST
         Nuttiness - (Squidley) - (137) - Feb. 19, 2002, 02:37:11 PM EST
             Semantics - (wharris2) - (136) - Feb. 19, 2002, 03:00:52 PM EST
                 Re: Semantics - (Squidley) - (135) - Feb. 19, 2002, 03:16:37 PM EST
                     But it's not modular. - (wharris2) - (122) - Feb. 19, 2002, 04:45:48 PM EST
                         No? - (Squidley) - (121) - Feb. 19, 2002, 05:38:52 PM EST
                             No. - (Another Scott) - (7) - Feb. 19, 2002, 06:15:49 PM EST
                                 I Respectfully Disagree - (Squidley) - (6) - Feb. 19, 2002, 06:41:42 PM EST
                                     Your questions are answered in news stories. - (Another Scott) - Feb. 19, 2002, 07:29:50 PM EST
                                     If it >IS< "modular"............. - (Brandioch) - (4) - Feb. 19, 2002, 07:44:32 PM EST
                                         Re: If it >IS< "modular"............. - (Squidley) - (3) - Feb. 19, 2002, 11:30:08 PM EST
                                             Definitions vs. designs. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Feb. 20, 2002, 01:55:17 PM EST
                                                 Re: Definitions vs. designs. - (Squidley) - (1) - Feb. 21, 2002, 09:56:05 AM EST
                                                     So, now we look at history. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 21, 2002, 12:23:18 PM EST
                             What? - (pwhysall) - (1) - Feb. 19, 2002, 06:20:15 PM EST
                                 Oops, You're Right! - (Squidley) - Feb. 19, 2002, 06:49:22 PM EST
                             Modules that cannot be replaced or removed - (imric) - (76) - Feb. 19, 2002, 07:51:44 PM EST
                                 Re: Modules that cannot be replaced or removed - (Squidley) - (75) - Feb. 19, 2002, 11:20:13 PM EST
                                     No. - (imric) - (74) - Feb. 20, 2002, 06:06:09 AM EST
                                         APIs & Modularity - (Squidley) - (73) - Feb. 20, 2002, 11:25:42 AM EST
                                             Re: APIs & Modularity - (drewk) - (71) - Feb. 20, 2002, 12:02:56 PM EST
                                                 Re: APIs & Modularity - (Squidley) - (69) - Feb. 20, 2002, 01:33:12 PM EST
                                                     This is really funny. - (Andrew Grygus) - (23) - Feb. 20, 2002, 01:55:47 PM EST
                                                         Re: This is really funny. - (Squidley) - (22) - Feb. 21, 2002, 09:18:25 AM EST
                                                             MS should control PC configuration? - (warmachine) - (6) - Feb. 21, 2002, 10:54:20 AM EST
                                                                 Re: MS should control PC configuration? - (Squidley) - (5) - Feb. 21, 2002, 12:06:02 PM EST
                                                                     you are absolutely right - (boxley) - Feb. 21, 2002, 12:22:13 PM EST
                                                                     I haven't met one that wouldn't. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 21, 2002, 12:33:22 PM EST
                                                                     A natural monopoly would be leverage into a free market. - (warmachine) - Feb. 21, 2002, 01:55:51 PM EST
                                                                     How the monopoly works. - (bepatient) - Feb. 21, 2002, 02:57:47 PM EST
                                                                     Homogenity over all. - (imric) - Feb. 21, 2002, 05:30:40 PM EST
                                                             Re: This is really funny. - (Steven A S) - (2) - Feb. 27, 2002, 06:49:22 PM EST
                                                                 Have to have a command processor? - (wharris2) - (1) - Feb. 27, 2002, 10:52:09 PM EST
                                                                     On Win9X - (Steven A S) - Feb. 28, 2002, 06:52:39 AM EST
                                                             Re: This is really funny. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Feb. 28, 2002, 03:29:58 AM EST
                                                                 Architectures - (Squidley) - Feb. 28, 2002, 07:06:04 PM EST
                                                             Re: This is really funny. - (pwhysall) - (9) - Feb. 28, 2002, 07:43:08 AM EST
                                                                 Re: This is really funny. - (Squidley) - (8) - Feb. 28, 2002, 02:13:21 PM EST
                                                                     And just exactly how long would it take . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - Feb. 28, 2002, 03:44:32 PM EST
                                                                         Thank you... - (bepatient) - Feb. 28, 2002, 04:24:18 PM EST
                                                                         Besides which ... - (drewk) - Feb. 28, 2002, 04:29:29 PM EST
                                                                         Re: And just exactly how long would it take . . - (Squidley) - Feb. 28, 2002, 04:36:06 PM EST
                                                                         But would it work? - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Feb. 28, 2002, 04:39:47 PM EST
                                                                             Kinda like coding around non-standard behaviour in IE? :) -NT - (Meerkat) - (1) - Feb. 28, 2002, 06:19:30 PM EST
                                                                                 Oh shock non-standard IE behavior? (me quivers) - (wharris2) - March 1, 2002, 06:13:03 AM EST
                                                                     OK - (pwhysall) - March 1, 2002, 02:22:44 AM EST
                                                     You ARE Michel Le Moron! - (jb4) - (44) - Feb. 20, 2002, 02:17:39 PM EST
                                                         Dont accuse - (boxley) - Feb. 20, 2002, 02:59:47 PM EST
                                                         Naah, just went to the same . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (41) - Feb. 20, 2002, 05:31:12 PM EST
                                                             Re: Naah, just went to the same . . . - (Squidley) - (40) - Feb. 21, 2002, 09:23:48 AM EST
                                                                 Cosmic-proportion delusions of grandeur from a bad $hilling - (CRConrad) - (39) - Feb. 26, 2002, 04:57:31 AM EST
                                                                     Nah. - (imric) - (38) - Feb. 26, 2002, 06:18:46 AM EST
                                                                         No, I'm fairly sure he's serious; he's $hilling for real. - (CRConrad) - (37) - Feb. 26, 2002, 07:02:02 AM EST
                                                                             Squidley-Diddley; - (imric) - (36) - Feb. 26, 2002, 07:41:19 AM EST
                                                                                 Yeah, but if you're stupid enough, why let that stop you? - (CRConrad) - (35) - Feb. 26, 2002, 08:08:05 AM EST
                                                                                     I can't believe you didn't catch this - (Silverlock) - (6) - Feb. 26, 2002, 08:48:05 AM EST
                                                                                         Yeah, I know - but how the heck could I... - (CRConrad) - Feb. 26, 2002, 12:02:40 PM EST
                                                                                         I used my usual spell checker . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (4) - Feb. 26, 2002, 12:32:16 PM EST
                                                                                             Just tried your spell checker - (Silverlock) - (2) - Feb. 26, 2002, 12:46:46 PM EST
                                                                                                 Hmmm . . no such message from Google here . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Feb. 26, 2002, 01:18:31 PM EST
                                                                                                     Those damn bats. They're everywhere. - (Silverlock) - Feb. 26, 2002, 01:26:07 PM EST
                                                                                             So much for those right-wing "think tank" innaleckchuls, eh? -NT - (CRConrad) - Feb. 26, 2002, 02:42:10 PM EST
                                                                                     I always have to laugh... - (admin) - (16) - Feb. 26, 2002, 08:51:30 AM EST
                                                                                         Well if Squidley is not... - (ben_tilly) - (15) - Feb. 26, 2002, 10:17:06 AM EST
                                                                                             Re: Well if Squidley is not... - (Squidley) - (14) - Feb. 26, 2002, 10:45:34 AM EST
                                                                                                 And what makes you think you look any different here? -NT - (CRConrad) - (13) - Feb. 26, 2002, 11:57:16 AM EST
                                                                                                     Why, your presence, of course! - (Squidley) - (12) - Feb. 26, 2002, 01:38:10 PM EST
                                                                                                         I guess MSFT is expecting to lose, then... -NT - (jake123) - (11) - Feb. 26, 2002, 02:43:39 PM EST
                                                                                                             Sure! Just like they always do :-) -NT - (Squidley) - (10) - Feb. 26, 2002, 02:56:14 PM EST
                                                                                                                 It ain't over til Judge K-K sings. - (Ashton) - (4) - Feb. 26, 2002, 03:45:46 PM EST
                                                                                                                     Re: It ain't over til Judge K-K sings. - (Squidley) - (3) - Feb. 26, 2002, 04:07:31 PM EST
                                                                                                                         My what colorful intellekchul epithets you have - (Ashton) - Feb. 26, 2002, 07:18:48 PM EST
                                                                                                                         Yes, but over at Petrele's VarLinux forum . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Feb. 26, 2002, 11:02:27 PM EST
                                                                                                                             Re: Yes, but over at Petrele(y)'s VarLinux forum . . - (Ashton) - Feb. 28, 2002, 01:43:13 AM EST
                                                                                                                 I think they're going to lose badly this time. - (jake123) - (4) - Feb. 26, 2002, 04:13:03 PM EST
                                                                                                                     I think you're way optimistic - (wharris2) - (3) - Feb. 26, 2002, 04:28:51 PM EST
                                                                                                                         I don't. - (jake123) - (2) - Feb. 26, 2002, 08:55:13 PM EST
                                                                                                                             Gates, Ballmer scared? - (wharris2) - (1) - Feb. 27, 2002, 03:44:39 AM EST
                                                                                                                                 Yeah... you're right. - (jake123) - Feb. 27, 2002, 10:40:12 AM EST
                                                                                     Hey! - (imric) - (10) - Feb. 26, 2002, 09:01:32 AM EST
                                                                                         *Snort* - (Silverlock) - Feb. 26, 2002, 09:17:34 AM EST
                                                                                         "Training ground"? Dunno... Let's hope it's more like... - (CRConrad) - (8) - Feb. 26, 2002, 12:00:17 PM EST
                                                                                             I noticed (possibly coincidence...possibly not) - (bepatient) - (7) - Feb. 26, 2002, 05:03:56 PM EST
                                                                                                 Really.. - (Ashton) - (6) - Feb. 26, 2002, 07:27:10 PM EST
                                                                                                     Karsten gave me the archives... - (bepatient) - (5) - Feb. 26, 2002, 10:33:38 PM EST
                                                                                                         True - the roster was larger (and heavier?) - (Ashton) - (4) - Feb. 28, 2002, 01:59:42 AM EST
                                                                                                             If you are nice - (imric) - (3) - Feb. 28, 2002, 06:01:37 AM EST
                                                                                                                 Would have to be ftp... - (bepatient) - (2) - Feb. 28, 2002, 10:48:33 AM EST
                                                                                                                     Legal - (kmself) - (1) - Feb. 28, 2002, 08:00:59 PM EST
                                                                                                                         Thats essentially my thinking. - (bepatient) - March 1, 2002, 10:27:25 AM EST
                                                         You ARE too kind! - (Squidley) - Feb. 21, 2002, 10:31:13 AM EST
                                                 Intent - (Andrew Grygus) - Feb. 20, 2002, 01:47:36 PM EST
                                             No. - (imric) - Feb. 20, 2002, 06:42:06 PM EST
                             Are you for real?!? - (jb4) - (33) - Feb. 20, 2002, 09:11:57 AM EST
                                 Hey, is that a trick question? - (Squidley) - (32) - Feb. 21, 2002, 10:21:22 AM EST
                                     No tricks, just treats - (jb4) - (30) - Feb. 22, 2002, 10:01:59 AM EST
                                         No, gems! - (Squidley) - (29) - Feb. 22, 2002, 01:55:25 PM EST
                                             Bwaaahaaahhaaaa!! - (Silverlock) - (1) - Feb. 22, 2002, 02:20:38 PM EST
                                                 Re: Bwaaahaaahhaaaa!! - (Squidley) - Feb. 22, 2002, 02:44:06 PM EST
                                             Are you REALLY that dense (or do they pay for stupidity?) - (jb4) - (4) - Feb. 22, 2002, 02:42:48 PM EST
                                                 There you go again with the trick questions. - (Squidley) - (3) - Feb. 23, 2002, 04:51:45 PM EST
                                                     NTFS != HTML - (jb4) - (2) - Feb. 25, 2002, 09:40:11 AM EST
                                                         Re: NTFS != HTML - (Squidley) - (1) - Feb. 26, 2002, 02:23:49 PM EST
                                                             Don't bogart tht joint, my friend... - (jb4) - Feb. 26, 2002, 07:03:02 PM EST
                                             Why did you drop the other threads? - (Brandioch) - (6) - Feb. 22, 2002, 06:30:27 PM EST
                                                 Need... some... WD-40... - (Squidley) - (5) - Feb. 23, 2002, 05:56:18 PM EST
                                                     Ummm . . aren't you working overtime? - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Feb. 23, 2002, 09:33:09 PM EST
                                                         I could shill 18/7..........if...........the price was right - (Brandioch) - Feb. 24, 2002, 12:15:15 AM EST
                                                     A kinder, gentler, Microsoft at work... - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Feb. 25, 2002, 09:47:07 AM EST
                                                         Be aware that this new policy . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Feb. 25, 2002, 10:56:33 AM EST
                                                             I have a remedy, then: - (Ashton) - Feb. 25, 2002, 10:25:57 PM EST
                                             Wow... - (bepatient) - (14) - Feb. 22, 2002, 07:17:39 PM EST
                                                 Now, now... - (Squidley) - (13) - Feb. 23, 2002, 05:43:05 PM EST
                                                     I could almost grant such a Pollyanna view of it all.. - (Ashton) - (10) - Feb. 23, 2002, 07:20:53 PM EST
                                                         As I have been saying for years . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (7) - Feb. 23, 2002, 09:29:41 PM EST
                                                             Do you mean that *recently* the CRM folks spilled their guts - (Ashton) - (6) - Feb. 24, 2002, 03:20:05 AM EST
                                                                 Siebel is the main victim here. - (Andrew Grygus) - (5) - Feb. 24, 2002, 01:24:24 PM EST
                                                                     Speaking of Accounting software . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Feb. 24, 2002, 02:02:55 PM EST
                                                                         Scary.. 7 years to find all the important glitches - (Ashton) - Feb. 24, 2002, 06:07:44 PM EST
                                                                     Andrew, care to update the current status? -NT - (drewk) - (2) - Nov. 5, 2004, 10:21:05 AM EST
                                                                         Update - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Nov. 6, 2004, 06:06:36 PM EST
                                                                             And Thank God for that. -NT - (folkert) - Nov. 6, 2004, 09:16:48 PM EST
                                                         Quick question: - (jb4) - (1) - Feb. 25, 2002, 09:44:02 AM EST
                                                             'a' as in the Sinclair Lewis book, "Babbitt" Still: :-\ufffd -NT - (Ashton) - Feb. 25, 2002, 09:57:20 PM EST
                                                     *chuckle* - (bepatient) - (1) - Feb. 24, 2002, 12:15:05 AM EST
                                                         Re: *chuckle* - (Squidley) - Feb. 26, 2002, 03:27:57 PM EST
                                     I guess you didn't read the MS memos from the trial. - (Another Scott) - Feb. 22, 2002, 11:07:55 PM EST
                     *sigh* Again? - (ben_tilly) - (9) - Feb. 19, 2002, 04:56:05 PM EST
                         Re: *sigh* Again? - (Squidley) - (8) - Feb. 19, 2002, 06:00:26 PM EST
                             But they don't have to be non-working. - (Brandioch) - (7) - Feb. 19, 2002, 07:34:56 PM EST
                                 Re: But they don't have to be non-working. - (Squidley) - (6) - Feb. 19, 2002, 11:45:00 PM EST
                                     Now that would be stupid. - (Brandioch) - (5) - Feb. 20, 2002, 01:44:40 PM EST
                                         Re: Now that would be stupid. - (Squidley) - (4) - Feb. 20, 2002, 02:33:41 PM EST
                                             Pick one - (drewk) - Feb. 20, 2002, 02:40:04 PM EST
                                             Purpose - (Steve Lowe) - Feb. 20, 2002, 03:22:58 PM EST
                                             Bzzzzzt! - (Brandioch) - Feb. 20, 2002, 03:49:59 PM EST
                                             And another thing ... - (drewk) - Feb. 20, 2002, 04:34:00 PM EST
                     I believe the anti-trust trial showed IE wasn't modular - (warmachine) - (1) - Feb. 20, 2002, 04:37:03 AM EST
                         +5 Informative. - (static) - Feb. 20, 2002, 04:52:40 AM EST

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