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Post #29,741 by imric 2/26/02 8:59:13 AM 2/26/02 9:01:32 AM Reply	Hey! Everyone know that you don't look dragons in the eye (though maybe it's 'cause that means you would be close enough to the beast to make a tempting snack)! Hmmm. Is shilling for dollar$ that common, then? Or are we 'targeted' as a training ground, perhaps? I hope not. grin Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win. Edited by imric Feb. 26, 2002, 09:01:32 AM EST Expand All History
Post #29,745 by Silverlock 2/26/02 9:17:34 AM Reply	Snort "training ground" just gave me a mental picture of a chorus line of shills singing "If I can make it there I can make it anywhere". With this much manure around, there must be a pony somewhere.
Post #29,776 by CRConrad 2/26/02 12:00:17 PM Reply	"Training ground"? Dunno... Let's hope it's more like... ...Final proving ground. Should we feel somehow perversely honoured if we are, in effect, their graduation exam? :-) Christian R. Conrad Of course, who am I to point fingers? I'm in the "Information Technology" business, prima facia evidence that there's bats in the bell tower. -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=27764\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #29,891 by bepatient 2/26/02 5:03:56 PM Reply	I noticed (possibly coincidence...possibly not) ...that on a couple of occasions back at IW we hammered through some aspects of the case...after which it would appear in DOJ documents related to the case worded damn near exactly the same as this group had left it. So I would lean with CRC on the final proving ground more than the training ground. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #29,913 by Ashton 2/26/02 7:27:10 PM Reply	Really.. Sure wish you'd copied and matched up a few of those. I mean.. if the DOJ needed IWE to fill in its blanks (no disrespect to the talent here) - that is Scary! Would that also imply that.. there aren't very many other places on the web ~ cogitating, mulling and eviscerating in similar fashion? Maybe InfoWorld was taken a Lot more seriously than it ever deserved (not unthinkable, that) but THIS seriously ?? Shocking thought. Got data? Ashton
Post #29,929 by bepatient 2/26/02 10:33:38 PM Reply	Karsten gave me the archives... maybe I can find something I don't think I was the only one to notice either. Not that I think they needed IWE to do the job...but if you recall we did alot of fine tuning of analogies...and a fair amount of technical shredding of the MS defense documents. As I said...could have very well been coincidence. And at the time..there really wasn't anyplace on the web like IWE for well reasoned technical discussions. At least not that I'd found. There were some pretty heavy hitters signed in over at IWE. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #30,116 by Ashton 2/28/02 1:59:42 AM Reply	True - the roster was larger (and heavier?) Sad part - that those IWE archives are inaccessible.. there were some textbook grade explanations of lots of things - worth preserving. They've been through at least 3 Rent-a-Site morphs since then. I thought that Ben and others downloaded a bunch; some CDs were made. Missed opportunity #103 [??] Dear DOJ, Here are some distilled exchanges re Topics 12, 15, 54A ...n involving persons with the listed credentials. These appear to relate to your present concerns - as to the technical effects of various actions by the MS Corp. Refs. included for the entire threads, of which these are excerpts. Well.. something like that. Ashton
Post #30,128 by imric 2/28/02 6:01:37 AM Reply	If you are nice I'm sure Bepatient would email you the archives.. grin -or- Beep, maybe you could put them on the web? Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #30,143 by bepatient 2/28/02 10:43:19 AM 2/28/02 10:48:33 AM Reply	Would have to be ftp... ...the files are actually rather large in the state I have them. The gzipped archive is 200mb or thereabouts, IIRC...maybe a little smaller. As for posting them to the web...I think we discussed that and decided that we would need everyone to agree to repost...including the IW management...and decided that would be a mondo pain in the ass. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient] Edited by bepatient Feb. 28, 2002, 10:48:33 AM EST Expand All History
Post #30,253 by kmself 2/28/02 8:00:59 PM Reply	Legal My sense is that the only source likely to cause trouble would be IWE, and that there's a combination of implied license by individual contributors and relatively low legal risk, to repost comments by others. This is one of the reasons I did a "posts by author" correspondence. This could be used to weed out the IWE-authored posts. Essentially, column text, posts by the various columnists, and the forum editor's comments. All else should be largely in the clear. IANAL, TINLA, YADA. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] [link\|http://kmself.ix.netcom.com/\|[link\|http://kmself.ix.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.ix.netcom.com/]] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?`
Post #30,312 by bepatient 3/1/02 10:27:25 AM Reply	Thats essentially my thinking. But I too am not a lawyer. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]

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