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Post #28,663 by Andrew Grygus 2/16/02 3:12:07 PM Reply	What a precedent! If they can't successfully appeal this, they'll be hearing "Show us the code" every time they turn around. There should be a bunch of guys starting new careers as "Microsoft code analysts" right now. That Windows XP Embedded thing is going to hurt, bad. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #28,675 by tonytib 2/16/02 6:08:05 PM Reply	If it's true, CKK certainly has guts and it's a good sign she won't rubber stamp the MS-DOJ agreement. If she goes on like this, she'll top TPJ in my list of favorite judges. Tony

Judge order MS to hand over source code - (JayMehaffey) - (149) - Feb. 16, 2002, 12:07:30 PM EST

Re: Judge order MS to hand over source code - (Yendor) - Feb. 16, 2002, 02:29:50 PM EST

What a precedent! - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2002, 03:12:07 PM EST

If it's true, CKK certainly has guts - (tonytib) - Feb. 16, 2002, 06:08:05 PM EST

Holy mother of pearl! - (Silverlock) - Feb. 17, 2002, 02:23:18 AM EST

Interesting (?) vote percentages - (Ashton) - (1) - Feb. 17, 2002, 05:57:24 PM EST

I'm wondering about the size of the fine - (Silverlock) - Feb. 17, 2002, 06:43:18 PM EST

How to test it? - (Brandioch) - (4) - Feb. 18, 2002, 07:56:49 PM EST

General idea - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Feb. 18, 2002, 10:28:31 PM EST

Obfuscation. - (static) - (2) - Feb. 18, 2002, 10:46:34 PM EST

Re: Obfuscation (I guess you're against it...) - (jb4) - (1) - Feb. 19, 2002, 09:33:22 AM EST

OT: I am getting *so* many comments about by my icon! :-) -NT - (static) - Feb. 20, 2002, 12:51:23 AM EST

Nuttiness - (Squidley) - (137) - Feb. 19, 2002, 02:37:11 PM EST

Semantics - (wharris2) - (136) - Feb. 19, 2002, 03:00:52 PM EST

Re: Semantics - (Squidley) - (135) - Feb. 19, 2002, 03:16:37 PM EST

But it's not modular. - (wharris2) - (122) - Feb. 19, 2002, 04:45:48 PM EST

No? - (Squidley) - (121) - Feb. 19, 2002, 05:38:52 PM EST

No. - (Another Scott) - (7) - Feb. 19, 2002, 06:15:49 PM EST

I Respectfully Disagree - (Squidley) - (6) - Feb. 19, 2002, 06:41:42 PM EST

Your questions are answered in news stories. - (Another Scott) - Feb. 19, 2002, 07:29:50 PM EST

If it >IS< "modular"............. - (Brandioch) - (4) - Feb. 19, 2002, 07:44:32 PM EST

Re: If it >IS< "modular"............. - (Squidley) - (3) - Feb. 19, 2002, 11:30:08 PM EST

Definitions vs. designs. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Feb. 20, 2002, 01:55:17 PM EST

Re: Definitions vs. designs. - (Squidley) - (1) - Feb. 21, 2002, 09:56:05 AM EST

So, now we look at history. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 21, 2002, 12:23:18 PM EST

What? - (pwhysall) - (1) - Feb. 19, 2002, 06:20:15 PM EST

Oops, You're Right! - (Squidley) - Feb. 19, 2002, 06:49:22 PM EST

Modules that cannot be replaced or removed - (imric) - (76) - Feb. 19, 2002, 07:51:44 PM EST

Re: Modules that cannot be replaced or removed - (Squidley) - (75) - Feb. 19, 2002, 11:20:13 PM EST

No. - (imric) - (74) - Feb. 20, 2002, 06:06:09 AM EST

APIs & Modularity - (Squidley) - (73) - Feb. 20, 2002, 11:25:42 AM EST

Re: APIs & Modularity - (drewk) - (71) - Feb. 20, 2002, 12:02:56 PM EST

Re: APIs & Modularity - (Squidley) - (69) - Feb. 20, 2002, 01:33:12 PM EST

This is really funny. - (Andrew Grygus) - (23) - Feb. 20, 2002, 01:55:47 PM EST

Re: This is really funny. - (Squidley) - (22) - Feb. 21, 2002, 09:18:25 AM EST

MS should control PC configuration? - (warmachine) - (6) - Feb. 21, 2002, 10:54:20 AM EST

Re: MS should control PC configuration? - (Squidley) - (5) - Feb. 21, 2002, 12:06:02 PM EST

you are absolutely right - (boxley) - Feb. 21, 2002, 12:22:13 PM EST

I haven't met one that wouldn't. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 21, 2002, 12:33:22 PM EST

A natural monopoly would be leverage into a free market. - (warmachine) - Feb. 21, 2002, 01:55:51 PM EST

How the monopoly works. - (bepatient) - Feb. 21, 2002, 02:57:47 PM EST

Homogenity over all. - (imric) - Feb. 21, 2002, 05:30:40 PM EST

Re: This is really funny. - (Steven A S) - (2) - Feb. 27, 2002, 06:49:22 PM EST

Have to have a command processor? - (wharris2) - (1) - Feb. 27, 2002, 10:52:09 PM EST

On Win9X - (Steven A S) - Feb. 28, 2002, 06:52:39 AM EST

Re: This is really funny. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Feb. 28, 2002, 03:29:58 AM EST

Architectures - (Squidley) - Feb. 28, 2002, 07:06:04 PM EST

Re: This is really funny. - (pwhysall) - (9) - Feb. 28, 2002, 07:43:08 AM EST

Re: This is really funny. - (Squidley) - (8) - Feb. 28, 2002, 02:13:21 PM EST

And just exactly how long would it take . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - Feb. 28, 2002, 03:44:32 PM EST

Thank you... - (bepatient) - Feb. 28, 2002, 04:24:18 PM EST

Besides which ... - (drewk) - Feb. 28, 2002, 04:29:29 PM EST

Re: And just exactly how long would it take . . - (Squidley) - Feb. 28, 2002, 04:36:06 PM EST

But would it work? - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Feb. 28, 2002, 04:39:47 PM EST

Kinda like coding around non-standard behaviour in IE? :) -NT - (Meerkat) - (1) - Feb. 28, 2002, 06:19:30 PM EST

Oh shock non-standard IE behavior? (me quivers) - (wharris2) - March 1, 2002, 06:13:03 AM EST

OK - (pwhysall) - March 1, 2002, 02:22:44 AM EST

You ARE Michel Le Moron! - (jb4) - (44) - Feb. 20, 2002, 02:17:39 PM EST

Dont accuse - (boxley) - Feb. 20, 2002, 02:59:47 PM EST

Naah, just went to the same . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (41) - Feb. 20, 2002, 05:31:12 PM EST

Re: Naah, just went to the same . . . - (Squidley) - (40) - Feb. 21, 2002, 09:23:48 AM EST

Cosmic-proportion delusions of grandeur from a bad $hilling - (CRConrad) - (39) - Feb. 26, 2002, 04:57:31 AM EST

Nah. - (imric) - (38) - Feb. 26, 2002, 06:18:46 AM EST

No, I'm fairly sure he's serious; he's $hilling for real. - (CRConrad) - (37) - Feb. 26, 2002, 07:02:02 AM EST

Squidley-Diddley; - (imric) - (36) - Feb. 26, 2002, 07:41:19 AM EST

Yeah, but if you're stupid enough, why let that stop you? - (CRConrad) - (35) - Feb. 26, 2002, 08:08:05 AM EST

I can't believe you didn't catch this - (Silverlock) - (6) - Feb. 26, 2002, 08:48:05 AM EST

Yeah, I know - but how the heck could I... - (CRConrad) - Feb. 26, 2002, 12:02:40 PM EST

I used my usual spell checker . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (4) - Feb. 26, 2002, 12:32:16 PM EST

Just tried your spell checker - (Silverlock) - (2) - Feb. 26, 2002, 12:46:46 PM EST

Hmmm . . no such message from Google here . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Feb. 26, 2002, 01:18:31 PM EST

Those damn bats. They're everywhere. - (Silverlock) - Feb. 26, 2002, 01:26:07 PM EST

So much for those right-wing "think tank" innaleckchuls, eh? -NT - (CRConrad) - Feb. 26, 2002, 02:42:10 PM EST

I always have to laugh... - (admin) - (16) - Feb. 26, 2002, 08:51:30 AM EST

Well if Squidley is not... - (ben_tilly) - (15) - Feb. 26, 2002, 10:17:06 AM EST

Re: Well if Squidley is not... - (Squidley) - (14) - Feb. 26, 2002, 10:45:34 AM EST

And what makes you think you look any different here? -NT - (CRConrad) - (13) - Feb. 26, 2002, 11:57:16 AM EST

Why, your presence, of course! - (Squidley) - (12) - Feb. 26, 2002, 01:38:10 PM EST

I guess MSFT is expecting to lose, then... -NT - (jake123) - (11) - Feb. 26, 2002, 02:43:39 PM EST

Sure! Just like they always do :-) -NT - (Squidley) - (10) - Feb. 26, 2002, 02:56:14 PM EST

It ain't over til Judge K-K sings. - (Ashton) - (4) - Feb. 26, 2002, 03:45:46 PM EST

Re: It ain't over til Judge K-K sings. - (Squidley) - (3) - Feb. 26, 2002, 04:07:31 PM EST

My what colorful intellekchul epithets you have - (Ashton) - Feb. 26, 2002, 07:18:48 PM EST

Yes, but over at Petrele's VarLinux forum . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Feb. 26, 2002, 11:02:27 PM EST

Re: Yes, but over at Petrele(y)'s VarLinux forum . . - (Ashton) - Feb. 28, 2002, 01:43:13 AM EST

I think they're going to lose badly this time. - (jake123) - (4) - Feb. 26, 2002, 04:13:03 PM EST

I think you're way optimistic - (wharris2) - (3) - Feb. 26, 2002, 04:28:51 PM EST

I don't. - (jake123) - (2) - Feb. 26, 2002, 08:55:13 PM EST

Gates, Ballmer scared? - (wharris2) - (1) - Feb. 27, 2002, 03:44:39 AM EST

Yeah... you're right. - (jake123) - Feb. 27, 2002, 10:40:12 AM EST

Hey! - (imric) - (10) - Feb. 26, 2002, 09:01:32 AM EST

*Snort* - (Silverlock) - Feb. 26, 2002, 09:17:34 AM EST

"Training ground"? Dunno... Let's hope it's more like... - (CRConrad) - (8) - Feb. 26, 2002, 12:00:17 PM EST

I noticed (possibly coincidence...possibly not) - (bepatient) - (7) - Feb. 26, 2002, 05:03:56 PM EST

Really.. - (Ashton) - (6) - Feb. 26, 2002, 07:27:10 PM EST

Karsten gave me the archives... - (bepatient) - (5) - Feb. 26, 2002, 10:33:38 PM EST

True - the roster was larger (and heavier?) - (Ashton) - (4) - Feb. 28, 2002, 01:59:42 AM EST

If you are nice - (imric) - (3) - Feb. 28, 2002, 06:01:37 AM EST

Would have to be ftp... - (bepatient) - (2) - Feb. 28, 2002, 10:48:33 AM EST

Legal - (kmself) - (1) - Feb. 28, 2002, 08:00:59 PM EST

Thats essentially my thinking. - (bepatient) - March 1, 2002, 10:27:25 AM EST

You ARE too kind! - (Squidley) - Feb. 21, 2002, 10:31:13 AM EST

Intent - (Andrew Grygus) - Feb. 20, 2002, 01:47:36 PM EST

No. - (imric) - Feb. 20, 2002, 06:42:06 PM EST

Are you for real?!? - (jb4) - (33) - Feb. 20, 2002, 09:11:57 AM EST

Hey, is that a trick question? - (Squidley) - (32) - Feb. 21, 2002, 10:21:22 AM EST

No tricks, just treats - (jb4) - (30) - Feb. 22, 2002, 10:01:59 AM EST

No, gems! - (Squidley) - (29) - Feb. 22, 2002, 01:55:25 PM EST

Bwaaahaaahhaaaa!! - (Silverlock) - (1) - Feb. 22, 2002, 02:20:38 PM EST

Re: Bwaaahaaahhaaaa!! - (Squidley) - Feb. 22, 2002, 02:44:06 PM EST

Are you REALLY that dense (or do they pay for stupidity?) - (jb4) - (4) - Feb. 22, 2002, 02:42:48 PM EST

There you go again with the trick questions. - (Squidley) - (3) - Feb. 23, 2002, 04:51:45 PM EST

NTFS != HTML - (jb4) - (2) - Feb. 25, 2002, 09:40:11 AM EST

Re: NTFS != HTML - (Squidley) - (1) - Feb. 26, 2002, 02:23:49 PM EST

Don't bogart tht joint, my friend... - (jb4) - Feb. 26, 2002, 07:03:02 PM EST

Why did you drop the other threads? - (Brandioch) - (6) - Feb. 22, 2002, 06:30:27 PM EST

Need... some... WD-40... - (Squidley) - (5) - Feb. 23, 2002, 05:56:18 PM EST

Ummm . . aren't you working overtime? - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Feb. 23, 2002, 09:33:09 PM EST

I could shill 18/7..........if...........the price was right - (Brandioch) - Feb. 24, 2002, 12:15:15 AM EST

A kinder, gentler, Microsoft at work... - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Feb. 25, 2002, 09:47:07 AM EST

Be aware that this new policy . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Feb. 25, 2002, 10:56:33 AM EST

I have a remedy, then: - (Ashton) - Feb. 25, 2002, 10:25:57 PM EST

Wow... - (bepatient) - (14) - Feb. 22, 2002, 07:17:39 PM EST

Now, now... - (Squidley) - (13) - Feb. 23, 2002, 05:43:05 PM EST

I could almost grant such a Pollyanna view of it all.. - (Ashton) - (10) - Feb. 23, 2002, 07:20:53 PM EST

As I have been saying for years . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (7) - Feb. 23, 2002, 09:29:41 PM EST

Do you mean that *recently* the CRM folks spilled their guts - (Ashton) - (6) - Feb. 24, 2002, 03:20:05 AM EST

Siebel is the main victim here. - (Andrew Grygus) - (5) - Feb. 24, 2002, 01:24:24 PM EST

Speaking of Accounting software . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Feb. 24, 2002, 02:02:55 PM EST

Scary.. 7 years to find all the important glitches - (Ashton) - Feb. 24, 2002, 06:07:44 PM EST

Andrew, care to update the current status? -NT - (drewk) - (2) - Nov. 5, 2004, 10:21:05 AM EST

Update - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Nov. 6, 2004, 06:06:36 PM EST

And Thank God for that. -NT - (folkert) - Nov. 6, 2004, 09:16:48 PM EST

Quick question: - (jb4) - (1) - Feb. 25, 2002, 09:44:02 AM EST

'a' as in the Sinclair Lewis book, "Babbitt" Still: :-\ufffd -NT - (Ashton) - Feb. 25, 2002, 09:57:20 PM EST

*chuckle* - (bepatient) - (1) - Feb. 24, 2002, 12:15:05 AM EST

Re: *chuckle* - (Squidley) - Feb. 26, 2002, 03:27:57 PM EST

I guess you didn't read the MS memos from the trial. - (Another Scott) - Feb. 22, 2002, 11:07:55 PM EST

*sigh* Again? - (ben_tilly) - (9) - Feb. 19, 2002, 04:56:05 PM EST

Re: *sigh* Again? - (Squidley) - (8) - Feb. 19, 2002, 06:00:26 PM EST

But they don't have to be non-working. - (Brandioch) - (7) - Feb. 19, 2002, 07:34:56 PM EST

Re: But they don't have to be non-working. - (Squidley) - (6) - Feb. 19, 2002, 11:45:00 PM EST

Now that would be stupid. - (Brandioch) - (5) - Feb. 20, 2002, 01:44:40 PM EST

Re: Now that would be stupid. - (Squidley) - (4) - Feb. 20, 2002, 02:33:41 PM EST

Pick one - (drewk) - Feb. 20, 2002, 02:40:04 PM EST

Purpose - (Steve Lowe) - Feb. 20, 2002, 03:22:58 PM EST

Bzzzzzt! - (Brandioch) - Feb. 20, 2002, 03:49:59 PM EST

And another thing ... - (drewk) - Feb. 20, 2002, 04:34:00 PM EST

I believe the anti-trust trial showed IE wasn't modular - (warmachine) - (1) - Feb. 20, 2002, 04:37:03 AM EST

+5 Informative. - (static) - Feb. 20, 2002, 04:52:40 AM EST

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