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New I understand the sentiment.
The thing that got me about the CBS interview was how passionate he was about the threat of bin Laden. He apparently still has nightmares about the 9/11 situation....

If he feels that passionate about al Qaeda 5.5 years later, I'm not surprised that he didn't feel like rocking the boat on Iraq. Perhaps he felt it was his mission to stay at CIA as long as he felt he could make progress on the war on al Qaeda, and that going along with Iraq was the price to pay for that.

Let's not forget that Saddam was [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=47900|acting] for all the world like he did have something to hide, in the view of many people. Perhaps Tenet thought that even though Saddam didn't have anything to do with 9/11, there was more than enough justification for bringing him down and it wouldn't be the disaster it's turned out to be. I don't know.

It is curious, though, how Tenet could be so passionate about 9/11 and yet (apparently) so incapable of going around Rice and Cheney and others to tell Bush exactly what he thought about Iraq when he apparently met with him every day...

[edit:] Cleaned up a cut-and-paste fragment.

Cheers,
Scott.
(Who's ordered a copy of the book.)
Expand Edited by Another Scott May 1, 2007, 03:51:40 PM EDT
New Re: incapable of going around Rice and Cheney
Yep, "that's not how things work in the White House" is a lame excuse.
Alex

When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
New He is/was a career beaucrat
His explanation of the slam dunk statement still puts him in the middle of selling - lying about - the war to the American people. He is a smart man, he had to know about the worst case scenarios of the war and he still sold it. And he is out selling his book now. He evade the torture question. Bottom line, he is not doing enough to rehabilitate his image and credibility.
Seamus
Expand Edited by Seamus May 1, 2007, 09:55:44 PM EDT
New He's argument on the slam-dunk
was that the case against Hussein was a "slam-dunk"...not that Saddam had WMD.
New That's the point
He was stating emphatically that his stmt wasn't what lead Shrub to invade Iraq, as he felt the administration had been implying. His explanation that the discussion where he made the stmt was not about whether Saddam had the WMDs, but was about the case against Saddam clearly puts him in the middle of selling the war to the American people.

If he knew as much as he did about the actually intelligence and had the concerns he said he did, then he shouldn't have been as involved in selling the war. He did what was expected of him, rather enthusiastically.
Seamus
New OTOH, reasonable people knew it was bull
shit. The Economist is not exactly a great place to get advice from. It can be a great place to get information from, but their track record on advice sucks rocks big time, and has for years now. It was very very clear to me that the Iraq case was bogus, and it was certainly very clear to the majority of Canadians, and looking at the world reaction in the runup to that steaming pile it was pretty clear to most people in the West that the cabal was using fear to stampede your country into a strategic error of monstrous proportions.

Tenet participated in it, when he could have saved your country enormous heartache and pain. He could have sunk them by doing the principled thing, which would have permitted the U.S. to put the resources into the real w.o.t. instead of the massive clusterfuck that you're involved in in Mesopotamia. Instead, he let his groupthink and need to support the team at all costs to keep his job going blind him to the very real and obvious (I mean, look at what I predicted would happen; I'm far from some ivy-league policy expert and I got it better than those guys did) consequences of that decision to your country.

As for what your media was saying, the object lesson to the American People of this is that you (as in, your citizenry) need to abandon them in favour of other sources of information and/or use the public ownership of the airwaves to punt those motherfuckers out so that you can get some truth-tellers on the tube instead of the corporate flack soothsayers that you've got now.
New Yes, many here had it right. I wasn't one of them.
New Public ownership of what?
The airwaves? You're kidding, right? Have you been following what is happening to our "public" airwaves?
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New Just heard him interviewed on NPR
What a weasily bastard.
New He's going to be on Lehrer's NewsHour on Thursday.
I'm looking forward to seeing Jim interview him.

Cheers,
Scott.
New "Weaselly".
     NY Times on ex-CIA chief George Tenet's book. - (Another Scott) - (15)
         Tenet's been hawking the book on TV. - (a6l6e6x) - (11)
             I understand the sentiment. - (Another Scott) - (10)
                 Re: incapable of going around Rice and Cheney - (a6l6e6x)
                 He is/was a career beaucrat - (Seamus) - (2)
                     He's argument on the slam-dunk - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                         That's the point - (Seamus)
                 OTOH, reasonable people knew it was bull - (jake123) - (5)
                     Yes, many here had it right. I wasn't one of them. -NT - (Another Scott)
                     Public ownership of what? - (mmoffitt)
                     Just heard him interviewed on NPR - (crazy) - (2)
                         He's going to be on Lehrer's NewsHour on Thursday. - (Another Scott)
                         "Weaselly". -NT - (CRConrad)
         The CIA lost all credibility in 1991. - (mmoffitt)
         Christina Shelton gives her view of a briefing to Tenet. - (Another Scott) - (1)
             Thomas Powers throws a few more logs on that fire - (Ashton)

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