Lots of people feel that way.

Post #281,690 by Another Scott 4/13/07 9:59:14 AM Reply	Lots of people feel that way. Lots of others think comments like that indicate he's a wingnut who has been brainwashed by X. Personally, I turn off most comments like that because there's no substance behind, "... is the worst in history!!!!11!!!" I think too many people who make comments like that don't know enough about US history to make such a comparison. Or if they do know the history, the don't respect their readers enough to present the evidence for their views. For instance, on the corruption side, I haven't seen a comparison of GWB's administration with [link\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan\|Buchanan's], [link\|http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h234.html\|Grant's] or [link\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_G._Harding\|Harding's]. On the senseless war side, how about a comparison to the [link\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine-American_War\|Phillipine-American War] or the [link\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish-American_War\|Spanish-American War]? :-/ Cheers, Scott. (Who thinks that GWB has done great damage to the country but doesn't know how he would rank him on a particular scale because he thinks that such rankings are generally meaningless.)
Post #281,695 by Seamus 4/13/07 10:43:50 AM 4/13/07 11:24:11 AM Reply	While it is hard to judge the best as well the worst Presidents, there is something unique about GWB. Buchanan, Grant and Harding in many ways are not comparable to Bush because of their political naivete and their administrations actual believe in limited government. Bush is not political naive. I think Bush truly believes in a limited government when related to internal affairs, but he feels he is not able to accomplish that goal while he attempts to project America's natural role in world affairs. I think there is such an inconsistency between his attempt to act on his beliefs and his stated conservative beliefs that he is unable to see. For that reason and the stakes involved at this time for America will he go down as one of the worst presidents ever. His administration's track record with telling the truth will be viewed as an integral part of their vision of good governance and will result with his administration being viewed as ethically and morally more trouble than the Nixon administration; without the competence - which for Nixon was mainly confined to foreign affairs. While I don't want to minimize the Spanish-American War or the Phillipine-American war, they came at a time of when American was increasing its influence and becoming a superpower and a result of arrogance when there was little to check that arrogance. The fact that the Iraqi war happened after the Viet Nam war will only add to the understanding of GWB's inability to think critically about the consequences of his vision of America and its role in the world. edits: changed ethical to ethically and clarified I was talking about Nixon's competence. Seamus Edited by Seamus April 13, 2007, 11:24:11 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #281,697 by bepatient 4/13/07 11:10:14 AM Reply	On ME policy, its even more troubling As we (US regardless of party) tend to change our stance relative to MidEast every time a new administration takes office. Since we are dealing with a collective with a much longer attention span, we have near zero credibility on our best days and with our best Presidents. Certainly the thought of introducing a democratic government in the region as a "proving ground" has a certain intellectual appeal, hence all of the "think tank" activity. This administration had a complete mental breakdown, though, by thinking they could do that with Iraq. They became the country of convenience. On the flip side, turning isolationist and not paying attention at all only means we seal our fate to concentrate the wealth in those countries to the ruling families and leave the rest in incredible poverty...feeding the cycle of radical islam. And, by pinning our largest real threat in the region (Iran) between two active fronts we simply offered them incentive to do everything in their power to disrupt the process on both sides. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}

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