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New Nice.
OT: Along those lines, Dawkin's latest [link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Delusion|book] has some good points, too.

For example:

p.158
The temptation [to accept ID] is a false one, because the designer hypothesis immediately raises the larger problem of who designed the designer. The whole problem we started out with was the problem of explaining statistical improbability. It is obviously no solution to postulate something even more improbable. We need a 'crane', not a 'skyhook', for only a crane can do the business of working up gradually and plausibly from simplicity to otherwise improbable complexity.


IOW, everything in nature evolves from simplicity to complexity. Galaxies don't spring forth fully formed from Zeus's brow - they form over billions of years, being born from hydrogen (the simplest element). [link|http://www.intel.com/products/processor/core2duo/index.htm|Core 2 Duo]s didn't give rise to the [link|http://www.pbs.org/transistor/science/events/pointctrans.html|point contact transistor].

Simplicity always comes first.

Cheers,
Scott.
New And THAT
is a REALLY GOOD DESIGN!

*GRIN*

Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New You gotta realise
that the real problem these people have is not really theological, it's egotistical. It's fully consistent with the monotheistic notion of god to have s/he/it kick off the big bang and be letting the universe exist and be watched, but the real problem is that means not that god doesn't exist, but instead that the people making those arguments aren't special in any way; just one among a myriad of god's creatures and creations. THAT is the conclusion that cosmology, biology, and physics leads one to; it's not the (non)existence of god, but the ordinaryness of human beings that science demonstrates... and that is what the religious fundamentalist/extremist finds so offensive. It's not any strawman argument erected by the ignorant about how science says god doesn't exist, but sciences irrefutable evidence of their own lack of specialness and centricity in the Grand Scheme Of Things that bothers them so.
New Weird aint it
almost all religions focus on the fact that left alone man is a greedy little shyte needing a kick in the ass and the occational genocide to face up to the fact that other folks matter.
thanx.
bill
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New Love. It. (all 4)
May be time to proclaim the First

Thread Brevity Award with nano-Maple Leaf Cluster.

Got any idea how [1]MANY billion words have been spun!? to bypass this simple (and simply stated) ineluctably-decisive Conundrum?








Vanity.. Vanity.. All is Vanity.
Hang in there, Grasshoppers..






1) Exactly: 42 Billions + this one.
New And isn't Vanity one of the Seven Deadly Sins?
How conundrumatic!
jb4
"When the final history is written in Iraq, [link|http://images.ucomics.com/comics/tmate/2006/tmate060926.gif|it'll look just like a comma.]"
George W. Bush, 24 Sep 06
New Well -
If specialness = centricity, I have to agree...

If special is like the way each child in a family can be special, loved and cared for in the way that suits them best, then that's OK too... We can be 'special' still, but not the sole reason for existance.

But yeah, the 'me, me, me, I'm the only one to enjoy a relationship with the 'true' God' is kinda sick. Not to mention the 'and since you don't, you exist on my whim' crap.

But then, humans can take any ideology - even (especially?) the noble ones and twist it into a horror that would make Nyarlothep proud.

It's our 'special' talent.

Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New Shoulda heard the SF crowd
at his lecture at Herbst Hall ... spontaneous applause to the several pithy summings-up.
Almost made a one proud of the species' chances for survival -
almost..
before contemplating numerical dilution and the nonlinearity of construction difficulty VS destruction ease.

Then too ...

Devolution

Is there such a thing?
Is Murica currently - its main lab?
Is its Leader the #1 lab rat?
Does the Commutative Law apply -
or Not?







Remember too, the [Absolute] is beyond both Being and Nonbeing.

See..? we'll never get to the end of the calculations of the General Obtuse Constant. The Cosmos provides us with endless amusement -- but that doesn't work on the humourless -- they of the unfortunate Authority gene fork.

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         Nice. - (Another Scott) - (7)
             And THAT - (imric) - (5)
                 You gotta realise - (jake123) - (4)
                     Weird aint it - (boxley) - (2)
                         Love. It. (all 4) - (Ashton) - (1)
                             And isn't Vanity one of the Seven Deadly Sins? - (jb4)
                     Well - - (imric)
             Shoulda heard the SF crowd - (Ashton)

Achtung, Laddie!
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