Post #272,074
11/3/06 2:24:10 PM
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For some reason that "Good" fails to surprise me
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Post #272,078
11/3/06 2:45:14 PM
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So I should sit idly by
while those who are paid for by my taxes to teach and be responsible for my children and their safety demonstrate a lack of capability to do those tasks?
Sorry, thats TENURE...and I don't agree with that either.
Of course, I don't expect you to understand nor believe that this view has absolutely zero to do with the object of the drivers ire.
To each their own.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #272,084
11/3/06 2:56:41 PM
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beats watching the kids fornicating in the back
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Post #272,086
11/3/06 3:16:08 PM
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I'm lost...
she's a bus driver, she doesn't have tenure and she doesn't teach children.
While her conduct was rude and inappropriate in front of children, it doesn't demonstrate a lack of capability to provide safe conduct for children.
Furthermore, if she is fired, and replaced with someone who DOES have a history of accidents while driving, what does that say about their commitment to safety?
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Post #272,087
11/3/06 3:20:41 PM
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I was surprised that she didn't
bring up a First Amendment defense: "Hey, it's my constitutional right to express myself on political matters..."
lincoln
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Post #272,092
11/3/06 3:51:43 PM
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Responsibility is door to door
and while not teaching a subject, it is my expectation that all representatives of the school to conduct themselves appropriately in front of my children.
She did not.
And I would have big problems if they replaced this driver with someone less capable. Thanks for la poisson rouge.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #272,105
11/3/06 5:30:14 PM
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Surprise - I concur with beep
She was terminated for inappropriate behaviour in front of the kids. Plus, if she's driving a bus, how could she have two hands on the wheel and still flip the bird. Now whether or not termination was too harsh a punishment, I would have to read the employee conduct rules of the bus company.
First amendment does not apply, she's driving a school bus one-handed. Safety issue.
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Post #272,110
11/3/06 6:03:14 PM
8/21/07 6:27:08 AM
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Me too
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Post #272,116
11/3/06 6:36:04 PM
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different reason, too stupid to deny it to stupid to drive
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Post #272,125
11/3/06 7:33:58 PM
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Need more info to decide if I agree
Re: Safety. Was she stopped waiting for the motorcade to go by?
Re: Causing the kids to see something obscene, disgusting and depraved they've never seen before. Did the kids actually see the Chenying?
Re: Severity of punishment. Was the firing from management in accordance with regs (perhaps a warning might have sufficed) or from pressure from the Gov?
Still, it was dumb to get caught.
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Post #272,311
11/5/06 9:14:41 PM
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All questions answered, I disagree
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Post #272,112
11/3/06 6:05:20 PM
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Me three
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Post #272,128
11/3/06 8:06:23 PM
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got a finger for you right here
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Post #272,152
11/3/06 11:41:00 PM
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Cute movie.
Stupid people for thinking it wouldn't last forever and come in "handy" someday.
Glad I'm not a politician.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #272,133
11/3/06 9:18:53 PM
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Really. Reaching. If not downright prissy
So then, for 'rudeness' you lose a job. Period - no details needed. Not surprised; don't want you on my jury, either.
Or was it an "expression of disapproval of the performance of a politician, while he is actively soliciting votes, at a time nearing polling?" Where lies the First Amendment, amidst the debris of so many others?
That linked brief summary is so stark, the conclusion you leaped-to is about >you< - not about any of the circumstances which you know nothing of:
Imagining that a gesture [was it momentary? or sustained for 5 city blocks?] is "endangering" your progeny! implying that both hands must steer 100% of the time:
I'll bet YOU don't have both hands on your steering wheel 100% of the time the car is moving. And I'll bet that when you remove one to pick your nose: the car [hasn't crashed yet or we'd have heard.]
Just pure Authoritarian sophistry of the control-freak kind - to imagine.. that her gesture endangered anyone, or that these '06 kids were :-0
SHOCKED..! SHOCKED..! SHOCKED..!
Oh, the HORROR (I'm sure they don't see any dead Iraqi kids on their tube, either.)
If, in fact - the kids looking at the Prezmobile could even see the gesture (?)
But even if they could, it is purest hypocrisy to consider the scale of 'rude gesture to a pol' at the end of his campaign <==> equivalent to any snap-judgment of loss of livelihood.
ie I demur.
By All Means:
Do sit idly by. More often.
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Post #272,151
11/3/06 11:39:50 PM
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There you go, assuming again.
Safety? That was a red herring brought by someone else.
It was about behavior and appropriateness.
And you, my friend, will be the among those rewarding...proving that no action (as long as it suits you, regardless of timing and placement)...proving to these children that no act comes with consequence and that no person shall be respected if he holds a view somehow different from mine.
Fuck everybody.
Yep...that will bring everyone to the Valhalla you seek.
You see, if my KID points his finger at another kid and goes "bang"...he's suspended. Must be better to be a grown up, huh. You can shout "its my RIGHT" and point YOUR finger and its "an expression of disapproval."
Gotta love it.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #272,156
11/4/06 12:52:27 AM
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Concur entirely, about the BANG
No kid in my charge would be playing with cap-pistols or hyper-realistic AK-47s with notches and fake blood spatters: either. Or listening to Kill-the-Bitch CDs, or..
But the medial digit has become as common an expression as, "so's yer old man".
Now, if you had 900 mSec to indicate to a passing glad-handing pol, your disapproval (of his platform? himself? whatever), as I see it you have two universal options:
1) Thumbs down.
2) Middle finger up.
Both the Pres and the Veep appear to make liberal use of #2, while you'd think that the refined folks in positions of Power.. might opt for the former, wouldn't ya?
See what happens when the Top is as corrupt as this particular assortment? They reinforce the tawdriness of the unwashed masses.
(Personally my choice would have been: to take Both Hands off the wheel and position my fingers in a Cross.. while Shrub wouldn't get it, maybe someone else in the car would. Might even decipher ~~ blood-sucker and -spiller! if imaginitive. OK forget that last.)
I see your point about the cheelrun and about a patina of civility to delay the warping of their malleable jelloware.. for a little while. So I'd say to the frustrated driver with a busload of kids waving at the bling-bling aspect of Celebrity:
"This gave bad impressions to your charges; impressions of adult contempt for a putatively contemptible figurehead. You should have stifled that natural urge. You're docked x-days and get a reprimand."
I hope the union prevails. Loss of employment demands a more severe rudeness than this common digi-signal IMO. And one needn't be an anarchist to turn the other cheek, as some ancient guy used to say to an earlier flock of sheep. (But then his messages got passed through corp HR and committes) and, well - today we gots Prezs and Veeps who swear.. by the guy They Say, but still Lie A Lot, in between finger raisings. And invitations to an unnatural act, in the latter case.
So then.. ya want this driver should do better than The Rulers.. or starve next?
Guess I need to send you my Gooder Book.
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Post #272,182
11/4/06 12:20:52 PM
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curious again...
didn't you bring up safety?
In fact, didn't you argue that it was the bus driver's drive to teach...and that was her most important function?
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Post #272,198
11/4/06 2:41:18 PM
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Re: curious again...
and while not teaching a subject, it is my expectation that all representatives of the school to conduct themselves appropriately in front of my children. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #272,249
11/5/06 4:41:01 PM
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A hand gesture, BeeP...
has fuckall to do with the safety of your precious leeedle childuns!
Halloween's over. Put the straw away for another year, OK?
jb4
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Post #272,252
11/5/06 4:41:41 PM
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Read first. Post after. Been addressed.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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