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New Age of Adulthood is going up
A part of this problem is that what we call adulthood is going up. When I was a teenager 18 to 25 was considered young adult. And that was a slow increase from 16 to 21 where it had been for much of the industrial age. If you go back a few centuries it was 13 to 18.

Despite this cultural change, hormones still kick in during the teen years. Once kids hit that age most of them will have sex. You can either give them some sex education or can push ignorance and increase the population.

Jay
New This is exactly what I said.
'Adults' want to stay younger longer and one way to do that is redfine 'young'. But biology isn't playing along. So unfortunately, the only way to get them back in step is for culture and society to work on lowering age of adulthood. That's one of the things I was arguing for.

Wade.
"Don't give up!"
New Being able to reproduce doesn't make on an adult.
As we know.

I think we've all heard stories of girls under 10 getting pregnant. I believe some have argued that as our diets have gotten richer over the years, and as kids get heavier, they enter puberty earlier.

But puberty has little to do with adulthood - at least not if one defines adulthood as being fully developed, capable of living on one's own, and being able to support oneself.

I think a very good argument against not even considering lowering the age of majority from 18 is that human brains are still [link|http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20040508/bob9.asp|changing quite significantly until the early to mid '20s]:

Using magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) scanners to probe the brains of healthy teenagers and young adults, Elizabeth R. Sowell of the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) and her colleagues reported in 1999 that myelin, the fatty tissue around nerve fibers that fosters transmission of electrical signals, accumulates especially slowly in the frontal lobe.

The late phase of myelin formation, occurring in teenagers, provides a neural basis for assuming that teens are less blameworthy for criminal acts that adults are, Gur says. There's no way to say whether, for example, an individual 17-year-old possesses a fully mature brain. But the biological age of maturity generally falls around age 21 or 22, in Gur's view.

Although 18 years old represents an arbitrary cutoff age for receiving a capital sentence, it's preferable to 17, according to Gur.

"These brain data create reasonable doubt that a teenager can be held culpable for a crime to the same extent that an adult is," agrees neuroscientist J. Anthony Movshon of New York University.

Fear factor

Abigail A. Baird of Dartmouth College in Hanover, N.H., also suspects that delayed neural development undermines teens' judgment in ways that affect their legal standing. "There's no reason to say adulthood happens at age 18," Baird says. Unlike Gur, however, she estimates that the brain achieves maturity at age 25 or 26.

A 1999 investigation led by Baird and Deborah Yurgelun-Todd of Harvard Medical School in Boston raised the possibility that certain characteristics of teens' brains make it difficult for them to recognize when other people are scared. They tested 12 teenagers, ages 12 to 17. A functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) scanner measured changes throughout participants' brains in blood flow, which studies have indicated reflect dips and rises in neural activity. As the teens briefly viewed and identified fear in pictures of people who had intentionally tried to look scared, the researchers observed marked increases in activity of an almond-shaped inner-brain structure called the amygdala.

Neuroscientists suspect that the amygdala is important for learning to attach emotional significance to facial expressions and other stimuli. However, the results of Baird and Yurgelun-Todd indicated that there may not be a simple relationship between amygdala activity and accurate face reading.

The teen volunteers\ufffdall with active amygdalas\ufffdincorrectly identified one in four fear expressions, usually labeling them as angry, sad, or confused.

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Having a child isn't quite like capital punishment, but I think the point stands. Children have no business having children. Since the urges are going to be there, and likely be there at an earlier age over time, it's important for children to understand what's happening to them, why it's happening to them, and be told the consequences. Sexual education and contraceptives should be easily available without any stigma, IMO.

My $0.02.

Cheers,
Scott.
New call crapaud
A 1999 investigation led by Baird and Deborah Yurgelun-Todd of Harvard Medical School in Boston raised the possibility that certain characteristics of teens' brains make it difficult for them to recognize when other people are scared. They tested 12 teenagers, ages 12 to 17. A functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) scanner measured changes throughout participants' brains in blood flow, which studies have indicated reflect dips and rises in neural activity. As the teens briefly viewed and identified fear in pictures of people who had intentionally tried to look scared, the researchers observed marked increases in activity of an almond-shaped inner-brain structure called the amygdala.

Neuroscientists suspect that the amygdala is important for learning to attach emotional significance to facial expressions and other stimuli. However, the results of Baird and Yurgelun-Todd indicated that there may not be a simple relationship between amygdala activity and accurate face reading.
any 8-12yo kid on the playground is intimately tuned in to fearm they turn on the whiff of it and bore in pack like. Fear has little to do with facial expression than pherenomes, body posture and practice.
thanx,
bill
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New You're assuming a 'fully developed brain' is required.
I think that assumption is faulty.

What's to say that the act of bearing children doesn't help finish the development of the brain? Or, closer to my original argument, raising children?

It is western industrialized society that has largely created the nuclear family of mum, dad and kids, IMO. Grandparents live their own lives and so do aunts and uncles. I'm generalizing, but in my limited research, non-industrialized societies aren't like that. Children are raised by more people than just their parents. And in a way, the parents are still undergoing education from their peers and elders and having their own children is likely to be a vital part of that.

In addition, many such societies have a type of initiation process to turn children into adults. It differs between boys and girls, of course, because they have different things to learn. And it is not always the tribal trial anthropologists write about and what you would normally associate with 'initiation': farming communities in Sussex in the 1500's would have had a recognisable process for boys to become men (and girls to become women). And the Jewish Bar Mitzvah is part of the same ancient process for Jewish societies. Many of them happen in the period of 12-15 years old, after which these newly minted adults are usually considered candidates for having their own children. Not fully mature yet? :-) These social groups have been around for many centuries. And a lot of the problems with where 'adulthood' starts is a relatively recent phenomenon.

I agree that education is important, but it is too limited and too short-sighted. It needs to include parental education about how to handle the transition their child is making, and oft-times how the parents themselves can finish their own transition. This is hard.

Wade.
"Don't give up!"
New But the word itself is 'graded on a curve'
Some.. portray 'our' society as juvenile at-all-ages; unarguably (whatever side of that proposition one comes down on) - many other cultures' main contact with'US' is via their rollicking {when not downright fearful} guffaws at reading about our antics. (Lately, of course, well.. all know the impression which any Shrub, Cheney Teleprompter reading gives: that's Universal.)


Quo vadis then, any useful definition of adult? in these parts.

     19-29? No Sex for You - (Ashton) - (25)
         The first order of business for any repressive . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
         I think the problem is much more complex than that. - (static) - (23)
             Yes it is - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                 That's not a bad analogy. -NT - (static)
             wrong, the possibility of having sex is the only reason - (boxley) - (14)
                 Sex has nothing to do with marriage or family? - (bionerd) - (11)
                     Of all folks, though you might bring some base drivers - (bepatient) - (7)
                         I dont know what base drivers means :-( -NT - (bionerd) - (4)
                             Biology - (bepatient) - (1)
                                 Ahhh. - (bionerd)
                             12" to 15" speakers by Celestron. - (jb4) - (1)
                                 You mean Celestion? Celestron make telescopes. -NT - (Steve Lowe)
                         Um, see "bonobo" at Wikipedia... - (Another Scott) - (1)
                             That's inconceivable! :) -NT - (a6l6e6x)
                     I used to be Catholic, but then I grew up. -NT - (n3jja) - (1)
                         Me too. -NT - (bionerd)
                     Oxymoron alert: "Feds thinking" - (jb4)
                 You know what tells me? - (static) - (1)
                     worship? Who me? hehehehe - (boxley)
             Age of Adulthood is going up - (JayMehaffey) - (5)
                 This is exactly what I said. - (static) - (3)
                     Being able to reproduce doesn't make on an adult. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                         call crapaud - (boxley)
                         You're assuming a 'fully developed brain' is required. - (static)
                 But the word itself is 'graded on a curve' - (Ashton)

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