Post #267,909
9/18/06 9:18:14 AM
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Oh, they took their money too
all kinds of it. Is it only wrong when it's your money? Just curious...
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Post #267,910
9/18/06 9:19:44 AM
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difference between legitimate loot and theft
their money is loot. Our money, much larger amount than their money is theft.
thanx,
bill
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Post #267,912
9/18/06 9:22:54 AM
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Oh, it's OK to invade a country for no reason and loot them
then? I wouldn't be so sure that the take from the US taxpayer is actually larger than the take from the citizens of Iraq either; for example, the amount of oil that's missing from the books is vast... and that's only one example. Another one would be where all the money from selling off the public enterprises is; nobody seems to know.
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Post #267,920
9/18/06 11:00:29 AM
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almost 1/2 trillion dollars so far
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Post #267,944
9/18/06 12:28:16 PM
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Sorry, that does not compute
For example, the wages for the soldiers does not count as looting from your treasury. The diversion of pallet-loads of US dollars does. Money spent on bullets for your soldiers does not constitute loot; money for usurious markups on gasoline to the benefit of KBR (or was it Halliburton directly?) does.
In the meantime, entire tankers of oil from Basra have gone missing, and that comes directly off the bottom line for the nascent crater^Rstate of Iraq.
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Post #267,997
9/18/06 6:12:13 PM
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Does it really matter?
Whether we're talking the millions (hundreds of millions) that the US shelled out for Contruction and rebuilding and other stuff that disappeared. Or the millions (hundreds of millions) that disappeared in oil.
In any case, it was made possible by having political naive appointees that rubber-stamped everything in a effort to "be efficient" cause we didn't have time to go through normal channels.
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Post #268,014
9/18/06 9:14:13 PM
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You can bet that it does to the Iraqi citizenry
and to the other millions of interested people in the region who have been watching this... and drawing their own conclusions about the character of the US citizenry based on the actions there, as well as how much the US says that is to be believed.
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Post #268,023
9/18/06 10:06:14 PM
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actively aided and abetted by that Iraqi citizenry
sundry others with their own aims/goals/and thefts. A place where law and order is a nod, wink and a bullet to the back of the head. Tribal loyalties vs religious loyalties. The place needs a god father, sad but true. Call another election, let Saddam run, fix it so he wins and we have a new bud in the ME. The Iraqi's who are still alive will be happy to thank us for our gift of justice and freedom.
thanx,
bill
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Post #268,040
9/19/06 8:46:53 AM
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Hey, there's no doubt that some of them made out like
the proverbial bandits... but while that seems to be the natural constituency of the US abroad, those aren't the people I'm talking about.
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Post #268,167
9/20/06 4:06:07 PM
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It's only money
After all, The essential act of war is destruction, not necessarily of human lives, but of the products of human labour. War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere, or sinking in the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long run, too intelligent. Even when weapons of war are not actually destroyed, their manufacture is still a convenient way of expending labour power without producing anything that can be consumed... —Emmanuel Goldstein, The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism (Eric Blair as George Orwell as Emmanuel G) Or as another well-known America-hater once put it: Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
This world in arms is not spending money alone.
It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.
The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.
It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population.
It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals.
It is some 50 miles of concrete highway.
We pay for a single fighter with a half million bushels of wheat.
We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.
This, I repeat, is the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking.
This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. —President Dwight D. Eisenhower, "The Chance for Peace," remarks to the American Society of Newspaper Editors, April 16,1953 But this lot really does make it all rather nakedly apparent, don't they? cordially, Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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