Perspective of a 14 year old.

Post #267,339 by mmoffitt 9/12/06 2:15:39 PM Reply	Perspective of a 14 year old. Something on the tv came on about it. My 14 year old said, "Dad, can I ask you a question?" She went on to explain that she felt really guilty about feeling this way but that she had grown a little tired of hearing about 9/11. She pointed out that she'd seen pictures of Lebanon, Iraq and Afghanistan and "practically their whole countries looked like Ground Zero." Don't get me wrong, she was very sorry for the losses to the people in NY, but, she wanted to know why NY was so much worse a tragedy than those other places. That question, I must confess, I had no answer for. bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #267,341 by jake123 9/12/06 2:19:08 PM Reply	Actually, there's an easy answer: the true one and that is that most elites want to exploit a feeling of false superiority in their peoples, so they they sell this by claiming that their losses are more important than the Other's losses, and she is just seeing our particular version of this. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #267,348 by bionerd 9/12/06 2:43:54 PM Reply	That's human nature It's not elitist. Of course I'm gonna think my problems and losses are greater than yours. Why? Because they're mine.
Post #267,355 by jake123 9/12/06 3:52:57 PM Reply	That may be but our leaders are encouraging that perspective, and trying very hard to get people to further magnify our losses whilst simultaneously minimising theirs. I'm certainly not saying their leaders are not doing the exact same thing. However, I think that (for example) the Palestinian people and their leadership could learn a lot about how to effectively throw their occupiers out by learning a bit about Gandhi. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #267,347 by drewk 9/12/06 2:37:28 PM Reply	I was thinking about the kids, too We were at the library over the weekend and my 6-year-old asked why there were all the tiny flags planted out front. I told her I didn't know. (I wasn't thinking about the date.) When I heard on the radio yesterday that some state government offices were doing that, I realized what it was. Then I realized that I couldn't have explained to my daughter what it was about anyway. It happened before she was aware. I was born in '68, so I was seven when we left Vietnam. But I have no first-hand memories of seeing or hearing anything about it. If I'm typical, there are 12-year-olds walking around today for whom 9/11 is as much a historical incident as Vietnam is for me. This means that if we're still in Iraq through the next administration, we'll be sending kids over there who literally don't remember the event that eventually lead to their trip to Baghdad. We will have been at war their entire lives, as far as they're concerned. They'll have grown up knowing that Muslims are our enemies. Yay for their generation. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #267,358 by Ashton 9/12/06 4:22:09 PM Reply	'We have always been at war with East Asia..' ..which phrase gets 226 [link\|http://handthatfeedsme.blogspot.com/2005/09/we-have-always-been-at-war-with-east.html\| hits]. My condolences go out to every rational person, responsible for somehow ... training-up a replacement.. during the Murder of Language purge years.
Post #267,360 by drewk 9/12/06 4:29:01 PM Reply	You knew that was an Orwell quote? Or you just happened to hit the same phrase? === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #267,363 by Ashton 9/12/06 4:38:52 PM Reply	I've been reading a fine bio of George O A few fascinating chapters at a time, over months. (A pres from a bibliophile friend..) But I'd imagine that any reading of 1984 or the rather-OK movie, would 'create permanent memory' for that phrase (?)
Post #267,365 by drewk 9/12/06 4:41:45 PM Reply	Depressing how often he's still relevant === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #267,379 by Ashton 9/12/06 5:42:50 PM Reply	Re: Depressing how often he's ^h^h the Greeks and most 'old ie mature' cultures have eons-ago taken the measure of what does Not constitute a civilization (..always so much harder to complete any list of what Does, I wot.) An iggerant populace guarantees that we always need a Twain, Mencken, Vonnegut around to reSHOUT this stuff. I thought that ST (Trek) covered that one well, with the skit of the elders-in-togas preventing YAN testosterone shoot-out / planetary invasion - you remember, the one wherein the Klingon, after accepting that the fun was off for today, squealed, It would have been a G l o r i o u s (little?) war!! Before Light! as in ..Let there Be __, -was- cha cha cha :-/
Post #267,382 by jb4 9/12/06 6:47:37 PM 9/12/06 6:47:59 PM Reply	I knew... ...and I was going to post it...but Ash (as usual) beat me to it. jb4 "So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't." — Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06 Edited by jb4 Sept. 12, 2006, 06:47:59 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #267,356 by Ashton 9/12/06 3:59:22 PM Reply	She is old enough (and clearly wise enough) now, to grok [link\|http://www.lnstar.com/mall/literature/warpray.htm\| The War Prayer] (Doubt that any of us can put it in this perspective Quite as well. Hypocrisy - the mother's milk of Mine is the True God\ufffd - and you Heretics Shall burn in Hell cha cha cha.) Hell: a mere 3-6 kG of U²³⁵ and an old howitzer barrel.
Post #267,369 by boxley 9/12/06 5:19:27 PM Reply	I agree with her shelling out the same old spiel about 911 while busily looting the public vaults and denying us our freedom. I just saw an attack commercial. One screen full of Islamic terrorists, "these people want to kill you" another screen of crapaud about cut run and surrender. I have an idea that with some help from Rand would make a nifty youtube commercial same screen "these people want to kill you" second screen shrub cheney gomez rumsfeld and our dear departed friend felix "these people want to take free americans and turn them into vassals enslaved by the state." third screen. This is a war on 2 fronts, lets fight for our freedom at home as well as abroad. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #267,381 by Ashton 9/12/06 6:30:00 PM Reply	Send that to Move On - they have the Will, the $$ and the brains to immediately develop such cute ideas.. not just thank-and-forget. Hell, they're about the only (large-scale, now) 'representatives' still accessible to us proles -- and we're going to Need their better-and-better coordinated work, I wot\ufffd to counter the [#267357] $45 Rove-millions for G\ufffdbbels. Makes more sense than letters to outsourced congresscritter e-mail drops / all that boilerplate 'reply' BS. If'n ya gives a shit, and I thinks ya Do...
Post #267,384 by boxley 9/12/06 7:33:51 PM Reply	wrong messenger, need to bleed it from the grassroots youtube, then links to here, then spam various libertarian sites and a copy to repo.org so they, not move on, will trumpet their nastyness ensuring a good audience. Send it to move on and 40% of the voting audience will shrug and go "them thar libruls" thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #267,387 by Another Scott 9/12/06 8:07:08 PM 9/13/06 9:44:42 AM Reply	I couldn't watch or listen to the coverage either. 36 kB. It mostly struck me as a desperate attempt for ratings and/or publicity. [edit:] This Tom Toles comic sums it up for me pretty well: [image\|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinion/ssi/images/Toles/c_09132006_520.gif\|0\|Vote GOP\|442\|520] :-( Cheers, Scott. Edited by Another Scott Sept. 13, 2006, 09:44:42 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #267,429 by bepatient 9/13/06 10:50:00 AM Reply	Not the coverage I was speaking about I didn't watch any of the "memorials". CNN had a feed of their coverage, synced to the minute, of 9/11/01. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #267,434 by jbrabeck 9/13/06 11:10:56 AM Reply	My wife saw that too - scared her until she realized it was not really live. A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. (Herm Albright)

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