Pat Buchanan pushes Al Gore for President?

Post #267,311 by JayMehaffey 9/12/06 12:14:10 PM Reply	Pat Buchanan pushes Al Gore for President? [link\|http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/opinion/15498254.htm\|Mercury News] If Al ran, he would open with a pair of aces. To Democrats, Gore was right on the war when almost everyone else was wrong, which gives him the inside track to the anti-war vote that will be as crucial in the Democratic primaries of 2008 as it was in 1968 and 1972. Both of the other major anti-war candidates, John Kerry and John Edwards, voted for the war -- before they voted against it. Gore opposed it from the outset. And his endorsement of Howard Dean, much ridiculed when Dean disintegrated weeks later, looks less like a political gaffe now than an act of principle. Second, Gore has taken out the patent on the global warming issue, and the environmental movement remains a powerful engine of cash and campaign labor inside the Democratic Party. Pat is arguing that Al has the best chance of any Democratic candidate, but he comes just short of endorsing Gore here. I suspect that Pat realizes the situation favors a Democrat for the next president, and that Gore is the one he is least opposed to. If Gore wants to be president, however, this is surely his last chance, and he would have to begin to pull his old team together, many of whom have moved on, and to court state leaders, many of whom have already begun to commit to other candidates. I agree that Gore will need to move soon if he wants to get in the race. Unlike Hillary and some of the other possible candidates, he will have to build a team and campaign from the ground up. I also think that if Gore wants to get in, he should get in. If he wants out, then he should shut the door. His wavering is creating tension in the Democratic race, a race that is already wide open and confused. Personally, of all the possible candidates, he is one of the few I could give a positive vote too. It would be lukewarm, but most of them I would vote for only to keep a worse candidate out of office. Jay
Post #267,314 by bepatient 9/12/06 12:35:00 PM Reply	He still appears to be the best they've got. For the reason's both you and Pat gave. The D side is still in a really sad state of affairs. Nobody they have would stack up against Rudy or John. They may win anyway because of the antiBush backlash, though. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #267,345 by tuberculosis 9/12/06 2:34:04 PM Reply	I like edwards [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]
Post #267,371 by boxley 9/12/06 5:25:18 PM Reply	prefer Dem Edwards Repo Graham SC Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #267,370 by boxley 9/12/06 5:23:41 PM Reply	John? Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #267,374 by bepatient 9/12/06 5:28:51 PM Reply	McCain Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #267,375 by boxley 9/12/06 5:31:05 PM Reply	no way, couldnt support him Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #267,530 by tuberculosis 9/14/06 1:11:25 PM Reply	No And HELL no. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]
Post #267,544 by bepatient 9/14/06 3:31:54 PM Reply	Your thoughts are noted and not reflected by current polls. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #267,548 by tuberculosis 9/14/06 4:39:00 PM Reply	I don't think he has the cred on the left He did - and then he started pandering to the religious wackos [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]
Post #267,549 by Ashton 9/14/06 4:45:01 PM Reply	{Whew} - imagine going with a majority thought process.
Post #267,560 by bepatient 9/14/06 7:11:12 PM Reply	Interesting compulsion you have The reason those 2 names were given is simple. They are the top 2 poll candidates for the incumbent party. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #267,563 by Ashton 9/14/06 8:01:11 PM Reply	When both suck - one still may write-in; a quaint custom..
Post #268,446 by jb4 9/23/06 1:13:20 PM Reply	Assuming people can still write Poll Judge: "Hey, who is this 'X' guy that keeps showing up? guy's getting right popular!" jb4 "So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't." — Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06
Post #268,490 by Silverlock 9/23/06 7:24:01 PM Reply	Kinda tough to do on a Diebold setup ----------------------------------------- Impeach Bush. Impeach Cheney. Do it now.
Post #268,657 by Ashton 9/25/06 5:33:09 PM Reply	Not-so, apparently: Per [link\|http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/05/election_machin_1.html\| Bruce Schneier] (~ 5/6th of the way down) [. . .] Here's a little Voting machine hack I tried a week ago, using nothing but the normal user interface. --------------------- Tuesday was voting day. I live in a small town and as the only thing on the ballot was "School Board" and "City Council", the turnout was small. In my voting precinct the total at the end of the day was in the low 200's. Several people who know me were working the poll, so I got feedback within an hour of closing. Not too long ago, the town switched to "Touch Screen" electronic voting. As many of you know, this is often referred to as "black box" voting and is an ongoing political and technical debate. When I went in to vote, one of the screens said "Select up to 3" and displayed a list of candidates for "School Board", and a "write-in" section. I voted for one of the school board candidates then on a lark, decided to try the write-in function, I'd never used that before so I entered my own name. Sure enough, it accepted it and I finished and left for work. During the drive to work I got to wondering; does the software check for duplicate write-ins from the same voter? Unfortunately I'd already voted so couldn't test it, ... or could I? I got home an hour before the polls closed and asked my newly registered voter Son if he'd voted. He said he had not and didn't intend to do so. Normally I'd then provide the standard lecture on voting and making your voice heard, but this was too good an opportunity. I explained the hack I wanted to try and my son rushed out with a grin to see if he could write my name in all three times. Fifteen minutes later he was back to announce that the machine took it. Three hours later, I got the poll results: I received 4 Votes! --------------------------- I'd tell the town about the problem, but I'm afraid they will simply acuse me of "evil". Posted by: Oopsee at May 12, 2006 07:34 PM Even given little-Caligula, I can't quite get jelloware around the idea of any voting scheme ELIMINATING write-ins, to accommodate some bloody box of transistors. (Though I can easily expect there be a large number of defectives who would think Nothing of it - if they could arrange it.) A.
Post #268,659 by Another Scott 9/25/06 5:49:03 PM Reply	Amazing... :-/
Post #267,553 by Silverlock 9/14/06 5:29:54 PM Reply	I'll proprose someone else How about [link\|http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2006/09/draft_obama_2008_movement_laun.html\|Barack Obama]? ----------------------------------------- Impeach Bush. Impeach Cheney. Do it now.
Post #267,559 by boxley 9/14/06 6:44:14 PM Reply	Unless something egregious shows up I would vote for him Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #267,581 by lincoln 9/14/06 10:42:19 PM Reply	Only been a senator for 2 years He just returned from a "fact finding" mission to Africa, where he visited his ancestral land & got an HIV test. Has yet to say who paid for the trip. Basically, he's accomplished nothing so far. I guess that means he's a perfect candidate. lincoln "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem. I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a *Citizen* of the United States. [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #267,620 by Silverlock 9/15/06 7:24:18 AM Reply	Did you read the endorsment? Written, by the way, by his primary opponent. ----------------------------------------- Impeach Bush. Impeach Cheney. Do it now.
Post #267,705 by boxley 9/15/06 9:33:31 PM Reply	So how much experience did Bush have? Kennedy? Me? Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #267,728 by tuberculosis 9/16/06 1:49:22 AM Reply	I have no objections He seems earnest, clean record, but I wonder how effective he would be. I'd give him a shot. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]
Post #267,340 by mmoffitt 9/12/06 2:18:59 PM Reply	If Gore or Feingold run, I'll vote. Otherwise I'm out of this charade. bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #267,344 by tuberculosis 9/12/06 2:33:35 PM Reply	You are part of the problem then Things are fucked. So change them. Can't do worse. Vote goddammit, VOTE! [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]
Post #267,359 by dmcarls 9/12/06 4:27:08 PM Reply	You're right After the 2000 presidential elections, I was so bummed out at the reports of tens of thousands of votes being tossed away, etc etc etc, that I was thinking, what's the use? If all those people got up in the morning, went to the voting place, voted, then went to work - they did the right thing; throwing away their ballots was the wrong thing. The only thing this administration understands is numbers, that's why people must vote. Enough votes, and you win. (Gore notwithstanding.) And so I'll be voting again, trying to make a change. "What can they do to you? Whatever they want. [...] They can do anything you can't stop them from doing. [...] A hundred (people) fill a hall. A thousand have solidarity and your own newsletter; ten thousand, power and your own paper; a hundred thousand, your own media; ten million, your own country. It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, [...] "The Low Road" by Marge Piercy
Post #267,364 by inthane-chan 9/12/06 4:39:56 PM Reply	I think part of the problem is that this administration... ...does not understand numbers. :P Hurt me if you must, but let the duckie go!
Post #267,393 by mmoffitt 9/12/06 9:10:52 PM Reply	I probably will. Hell, I even held my nose and voted for Kerry ferchrissakes. Not that my vote will matter. Recall I live in Indiana. Last non-repo to carry this godforesaken abyss they call the Hoosier state was ... Lyndon Johnson. bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #267,394 by Another Scott 9/12/06 9:39:29 PM Reply	Lyndon may have some company soon. [link\|http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/15495120.htm\|Ft. Wayne Sentinel]: INDIANAPOLIS - Nearly half of Indiana residents do not believe the war in Iraq was worth the cost, according to a new statewide poll. The poll results released Monday by Indianapolis television station WISH found that 49 percent of Hoosiers did not support the Iraq war, while 41 percent supported it and 10 percent were undecided. [...] Statewide, the poll found a wide gap in views about the war based on gender and political affiliation: _ A majority, 51 percent, of women opposed the war, with 36 percent supporting. Among men, 47 percent opposed the war, with 46 percent against it. _ Those who said they were Republicans supported the war by a 65 percent to 27 percent margin. Among Democrats, 76 percent were against the war, with 13 percent supporting. Those who said they were independents or of other political parties opposed the war 53 percent to 35 percent. [...] Cheers, Scott.
Post #267,447 by jb4 9/13/06 1:28:06 PM Reply	Love how Hoosiers count Among men, 47 percent opposed the war, with 46 percent against it. No comment needed, I wot.... jb4 "So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't." — Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06
Post #267,473 by lincoln 9/13/06 4:41:54 PM Reply	That really should be an LRPD Admin's rule against political LRPDs notwithstanding. lincoln "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem. I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a *Citizen* of the United States. [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #267,478 by jb4 9/13/06 5:38:16 PM Reply	Who says it's political? The quote doesn't say which war.... jb4 "So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't." — Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06
Post #267,535 by lincoln 9/14/06 2:46:05 PM Reply	Aren't ALL wars "political"? lincoln "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem. I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a *Citizen* of the United States. [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #267,537 by lincoln 9/14/06 2:47:12 PM Reply	Nominated for LRPD (new thread) Created as new thread #267536 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=267536\|Nominated for LRPD] lincoln "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem. I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a *Citizen* of the United States. [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #267,526 by danreck 9/14/06 10:41:05 AM Reply	Re: You are part of the problem then To quote a great philosopher, I don\ufffdt vote. Two reasons. First of all it\ufffds meaningless; this country was bought and sold a long time ago. Secondly, I believe if you vote, you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around \ufffd they say, \ufffdIf you don\ufffdt vote, you have no right to complain\ufffd, but where\ufffds the logic in that? If you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people into office who screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done,. You caused the problem; you voted them in; you have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who in fact did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with. George Carlin Just a few thoughts, Danno
Post #267,551 by Ashton 9/14/06 5:05:19 PM 9/14/06 5:16:10 PM Reply	EEuwww__ ya mean that, all we have left is Catch 22? Well, you seem fine. How am I? From one small angle.. Tiny-little Esalen has had a long-term effect on this Disneyland, I wot. Imagine if every pol had to spend a week there, when Fritz Perls was Alive! (Ackshully some did, even some top Pentagon brass, I'm reliably informed..) Why, at very least - they'd find out, amidst the crap running around loose inside - which was the Bullshit, and just how little qualifies for Elephantshit status. Are you geared up for the contest? How close will Rove succeed in, Agin Us == commie pinko longhaired intellekshul Traitors Given the 100% of the loonies set-in-concrete - what % of the Duhs WILL still bite on this '50s deja vu ?? E n o u g h ? ? ? PS - a BBC commentator just now referring to "President 'Boosh' ... defying the Geneva Convention ..." cha cha cha (a mere happenstance of local accent, no doubt) Love. It. Ed: Obv the Wolfowitz gang have distributed The Day of the Jackal as MAN-interrogation for our hooded Freedom-representatives in dark dungeons ... Remember the captured guy's death rattle after er vigorous 'interrogation', which the questioners almost missed within the screams: ... cha ... cal ? Meanwhile, I'll always have ~~Paris~~ Sergei Nakariakov playing, on the Fluegelhorn, right on down to those cello pedal tones: The Tschaikovsky Variations on a Rococo Theme. What, me worry? Edited by Ashton Sept. 14, 2006, 05:16:10 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #267,918 by danreck 9/18/06 10:51:18 AM Reply	The Fletcher Memorial Ashton, Your response brought to mind an old Pink Floyd lyric that I haven't thought of for years. It's off their Final Cut... "The Fletcher Memorial Home" take all your overgrown infants away somewhere and build them a home a little place of their own the fletcher memorial home for incurable tyrants and kings and they can appear to themselves every day on closed circuit t.v. to make sure they're still real it's the only connection they feel "ladies and gentlemen, please welcome reagan and haig mr. begin and friend mrs. thatcher and paisley mr. brezhnev and party the ghost of mccarthy the memories of nixon and now adding colour a group of anonymous latin american meat packing glitterati" did they expect us to treat them with any respect they can polish their medals and sharpen their smiles, and amuse themselves playing games for a while boom boom, bang bang, lie down you're dead safe in the permanent gaze of a cold glass eye with their favourite toys they'll be good girls and boys in the fletcher memorial home for colonial wasters of life and limb is everyone in? are you having a nice time? now the final solution can be applied. I just read a very interesting book the other day called The Lessons of History found [link\|http://www.alibris.com/search/books/qwork/3887867/used/The%20Lessons%20of%20History\|at this site]. In this book, he fairly well predicts (in 1968) what happens and will happen based on historical patterns. Excellent read... Just a few thoughts, Danno
Post #267,929 by bepatient 9/18/06 11:53:12 AM Reply	Interesting side note on that particular disk As what I consider the last true Pink Floyd album...the departure of Waters from the group probably came at the right moment...because,as my friend said, to top that one on the list of depressing views of the world...they'd have to commit mass suicide on side 2 of the followup. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #268,513 by Ashton 9/24/06 5:12:43 AM Reply	A good lesson por moi {sigh} an inability to abide the sound of wailing guitars and overblown saxes - has its downside. (well, except for having read most Zappa lyrics / seen 200 Motels, etc.) Seems there was much wheat within those missed tons of chaff. Isn't it a bit surprising, though, that such samples as this.. appear to have gone ^Zoom^, generally - despite being solidly grounded in the vernacular -- and full of truthiness? I mean, who expects anyone much to - look up The War Prayer! But even the bone-lazy can grok the essence here: there's always Google, various -paedias - for discovering wtf 'McCarthy' was, to call up, Hey! Hey LBJ - how many kids didja kill today? Lazy fingers, even? (It's unsurprising only if Dumbth really Is increasing -- how else to explain the nearly universal torpor, until quite recently. And, how long will this spate of Noticing Stuff persist?) Anyway, thanks for The Fletcher Memorial. Cruising for Burgers in Daddy's New Car just might re-hook the new crop of Metro-consensual teens! (As to the Durants; it seems there's another person, from a few centuries back - who attempted an All and Everything synopsis, too. (He may not have realized that was actually his direction.. at first.) Reports in time, depending upon the rhythm and the er, 'denying force'. It's a good time for all well-crafted summings-up, isn't it? Hmmm - wait: what was the ~theme of, The Day Paradise Put Up a Parking Lot ? They also serve who only stand and fidget Recollecting early girly Bridgit Bardot at last goes on to seek the Bardos Alas falls short and finds instead, Zardoz Mea culpa, Atahualpa A mini-ode to one so ornery Decides to go become Sean Connery (When's the movie version of, It Can't Happen Here?)

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