If Gore or Feingold run, I'll vote.

Post #267,340 by mmoffitt 9/12/06 2:18:59 PM Reply	If Gore or Feingold run, I'll vote. Otherwise I'm out of this charade. bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #267,344 by tuberculosis 9/12/06 2:33:35 PM Reply	You are part of the problem then Things are fucked. So change them. Can't do worse. Vote goddammit, VOTE! [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]
Post #267,359 by dmcarls 9/12/06 4:27:08 PM Reply	You're right After the 2000 presidential elections, I was so bummed out at the reports of tens of thousands of votes being tossed away, etc etc etc, that I was thinking, what's the use? If all those people got up in the morning, went to the voting place, voted, then went to work - they did the right thing; throwing away their ballots was the wrong thing. The only thing this administration understands is numbers, that's why people must vote. Enough votes, and you win. (Gore notwithstanding.) And so I'll be voting again, trying to make a change. "What can they do to you? Whatever they want. [...] They can do anything you can't stop them from doing. [...] A hundred (people) fill a hall. A thousand have solidarity and your own newsletter; ten thousand, power and your own paper; a hundred thousand, your own media; ten million, your own country. It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, [...] "The Low Road" by Marge Piercy
Post #267,364 by inthane-chan 9/12/06 4:39:56 PM Reply	I think part of the problem is that this administration... ...does not understand numbers. :P Hurt me if you must, but let the duckie go!
Post #267,393 by mmoffitt 9/12/06 9:10:52 PM Reply	I probably will. Hell, I even held my nose and voted for Kerry ferchrissakes. Not that my vote will matter. Recall I live in Indiana. Last non-repo to carry this godforesaken abyss they call the Hoosier state was ... Lyndon Johnson. bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #267,394 by Another Scott 9/12/06 9:39:29 PM Reply	Lyndon may have some company soon. [link\|http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/15495120.htm\|Ft. Wayne Sentinel]: INDIANAPOLIS - Nearly half of Indiana residents do not believe the war in Iraq was worth the cost, according to a new statewide poll. The poll results released Monday by Indianapolis television station WISH found that 49 percent of Hoosiers did not support the Iraq war, while 41 percent supported it and 10 percent were undecided. [...] Statewide, the poll found a wide gap in views about the war based on gender and political affiliation: _ A majority, 51 percent, of women opposed the war, with 36 percent supporting. Among men, 47 percent opposed the war, with 46 percent against it. _ Those who said they were Republicans supported the war by a 65 percent to 27 percent margin. Among Democrats, 76 percent were against the war, with 13 percent supporting. Those who said they were independents or of other political parties opposed the war 53 percent to 35 percent. [...] Cheers, Scott.
Post #267,447 by jb4 9/13/06 1:28:06 PM Reply	Love how Hoosiers count Among men, 47 percent opposed the war, with 46 percent against it. No comment needed, I wot.... jb4 "So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't." — Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06
Post #267,473 by lincoln 9/13/06 4:41:54 PM Reply	That really should be an LRPD Admin's rule against political LRPDs notwithstanding. lincoln "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem. I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a *Citizen* of the United States. [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #267,478 by jb4 9/13/06 5:38:16 PM Reply	Who says it's political? The quote doesn't say which war.... jb4 "So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't." — Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06
Post #267,535 by lincoln 9/14/06 2:46:05 PM Reply	Aren't ALL wars "political"? lincoln "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem. I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a *Citizen* of the United States. [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #267,537 by lincoln 9/14/06 2:47:12 PM Reply	Nominated for LRPD (new thread) Created as new thread #267536 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=267536\|Nominated for LRPD] lincoln "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem. I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a *Citizen* of the United States. [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #267,526 by danreck 9/14/06 10:41:05 AM Reply	Re: You are part of the problem then To quote a great philosopher, I don\ufffdt vote. Two reasons. First of all it\ufffds meaningless; this country was bought and sold a long time ago. Secondly, I believe if you vote, you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around \ufffd they say, \ufffdIf you don\ufffdt vote, you have no right to complain\ufffd, but where\ufffds the logic in that? If you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people into office who screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done,. You caused the problem; you voted them in; you have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who in fact did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with. George Carlin Just a few thoughts, Danno
Post #267,551 by Ashton 9/14/06 5:05:19 PM 9/14/06 5:16:10 PM Reply	EEuwww__ ya mean that, all we have left is Catch 22? Well, you seem fine. How am I? From one small angle.. Tiny-little Esalen has had a long-term effect on this Disneyland, I wot. Imagine if every pol had to spend a week there, when Fritz Perls was Alive! (Ackshully some did, even some top Pentagon brass, I'm reliably informed..) Why, at very least - they'd find out, amidst the crap running around loose inside - which was the Bullshit, and just how little qualifies for Elephantshit status. Are you geared up for the contest? How close will Rove succeed in, Agin Us == commie pinko longhaired intellekshul Traitors Given the 100% of the loonies set-in-concrete - what % of the Duhs WILL still bite on this '50s deja vu ?? E n o u g h ? ? ? PS - a BBC commentator just now referring to "President 'Boosh' ... defying the Geneva Convention ..." cha cha cha (a mere happenstance of local accent, no doubt) Love. It. Ed: Obv the Wolfowitz gang have distributed The Day of the Jackal as MAN-interrogation for our hooded Freedom-representatives in dark dungeons ... Remember the captured guy's death rattle after er vigorous 'interrogation', which the questioners almost missed within the screams: ... cha ... cal ? Meanwhile, I'll always have ~~Paris~~ Sergei Nakariakov playing, on the Fluegelhorn, right on down to those cello pedal tones: The Tschaikovsky Variations on a Rococo Theme. What, me worry? Edited by Ashton Sept. 14, 2006, 05:16:10 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #267,918 by danreck 9/18/06 10:51:18 AM Reply	The Fletcher Memorial Ashton, Your response brought to mind an old Pink Floyd lyric that I haven't thought of for years. It's off their Final Cut... "The Fletcher Memorial Home" take all your overgrown infants away somewhere and build them a home a little place of their own the fletcher memorial home for incurable tyrants and kings and they can appear to themselves every day on closed circuit t.v. to make sure they're still real it's the only connection they feel "ladies and gentlemen, please welcome reagan and haig mr. begin and friend mrs. thatcher and paisley mr. brezhnev and party the ghost of mccarthy the memories of nixon and now adding colour a group of anonymous latin american meat packing glitterati" did they expect us to treat them with any respect they can polish their medals and sharpen their smiles, and amuse themselves playing games for a while boom boom, bang bang, lie down you're dead safe in the permanent gaze of a cold glass eye with their favourite toys they'll be good girls and boys in the fletcher memorial home for colonial wasters of life and limb is everyone in? are you having a nice time? now the final solution can be applied. I just read a very interesting book the other day called The Lessons of History found [link\|http://www.alibris.com/search/books/qwork/3887867/used/The%20Lessons%20of%20History\|at this site]. In this book, he fairly well predicts (in 1968) what happens and will happen based on historical patterns. Excellent read... Just a few thoughts, Danno
Post #267,929 by bepatient 9/18/06 11:53:12 AM Reply	Interesting side note on that particular disk As what I consider the last true Pink Floyd album...the departure of Waters from the group probably came at the right moment...because,as my friend said, to top that one on the list of depressing views of the world...they'd have to commit mass suicide on side 2 of the followup. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #268,513 by Ashton 9/24/06 5:12:43 AM Reply	A good lesson por moi {sigh} an inability to abide the sound of wailing guitars and overblown saxes - has its downside. (well, except for having read most Zappa lyrics / seen 200 Motels, etc.) Seems there was much wheat within those missed tons of chaff. Isn't it a bit surprising, though, that such samples as this.. appear to have gone ^Zoom^, generally - despite being solidly grounded in the vernacular -- and full of truthiness? I mean, who expects anyone much to - look up The War Prayer! But even the bone-lazy can grok the essence here: there's always Google, various -paedias - for discovering wtf 'McCarthy' was, to call up, Hey! Hey LBJ - how many kids didja kill today? Lazy fingers, even? (It's unsurprising only if Dumbth really Is increasing -- how else to explain the nearly universal torpor, until quite recently. And, how long will this spate of Noticing Stuff persist?) Anyway, thanks for The Fletcher Memorial. Cruising for Burgers in Daddy's New Car just might re-hook the new crop of Metro-consensual teens! (As to the Durants; it seems there's another person, from a few centuries back - who attempted an All and Everything synopsis, too. (He may not have realized that was actually his direction.. at first.) Reports in time, depending upon the rhythm and the er, 'denying force'. It's a good time for all well-crafted summings-up, isn't it? Hmmm - wait: what was the ~theme of, The Day Paradise Put Up a Parking Lot ? They also serve who only stand and fidget Recollecting early girly Bridgit Bardot at last goes on to seek the Bardos Alas falls short and finds instead, Zardoz Mea culpa, Atahualpa A mini-ode to one so ornery Decides to go become Sean Connery (When's the movie version of, It Can't Happen Here?)

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