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Post #267,293 by Nightowl 9/12/06 10:27:10 AM 9/12/06 10:52:16 AM Reply	But my point seems to be missed I didn't say we were safer because of anything the government did. I tried to expain that we are safer now because we have had our eyes opened and know there is danger. Sure, there was always danger, from everywhere, not just from terrorists, we just weren't as aware of that and weren't taking the steps to keep ourselves safe. Like someone said, many relied on the government to keep us safe, or the local authorities. They still play a role, but the reason I said we are safer is because we are more aware today, "i.e. Yes it can happen to us" and we take steps to watch out for ourselves and our fellow men. Yes, Katrina was a catastrophe, and people weren't safe from it, but at least in some areas we all pulled together to help them. In St. Louis when we had the blackout, that wasn't safe for everyone either, but we all worked to see that one another was safe and unhurt and had what they needed. Quite simply my point was we are safer now because we are more aware and watchful, not because there are less attacks, I know there are more. We as individuals just have a higher tendency now to guard ourselves and our lives more effectively on a day to day level. Edit: I just thought of a better way to say it. Every catastrophe that we experience, whether it be natural, manmade or planned and carried out, teaches us a little more about what to do to stay safer. Maybe that will help explain what I'm trying to get across. Brenda "When you take charge of your life, there is no longer need to ask permission of other people or society at large. When you ask permission, you give someone veto power over your life." -- By Geoffrey F. Abert ************************** "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind, don't matter - and those who matter, don't mind." -- By Dr. Seuss ******************************* "Sometimes it takes a whole lot more strength to walk away than to stand there and fight." -- By the character of John Abbott: said on Young & Restless on 5/19/06 ***************************** Edited by Nightowl Sept. 12, 2006, 10:29:48 AM EDT But my point seems to be missed I didn't say we were safer because of anything the government did. I tried to expain that we are safer now because we had our eyes opened and know there is danger. Sure, there was always danger, not just from terrorists, we just weren't as aware of that and weren't taking the steps to stay safe. Like someone said, many relied on the government to keep us safe, or the local authorities. They still play a role, but the reason I said we are safer is because we are more aware today, "i.e. Yes it can happen to us" and we take steps to watch out for ourselves and our fellow men. Yes, Katrina was a catastrophe, and people weren't safe from it, but at least in some areas we all pulled together to help them. In St. Louis when we had the blackout, that wasn't safe for everyone either, but we all worked to see that one another was safe and unhurt and had what they needed. Quite simply my point was we are safer now because we are more aware and watchful, not because there are less attacks, I know there are more. We as individuals just have a higher tendency now to guard ourselves and our lives more effectively on a day to day level. Brenda "When you take charge of your life, there is no longer need to ask permission of other people or society at large. When you ask permission, you give someone veto power over your life." -- By Geoffrey F. Abert ************************ "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind, don't matter - and those who matter, don't mind." -- By Dr. Seuss ******************************* "Sometimes it takes a whole lot more strength to walk away than to stand there and fight." -- By the character of John Abbott: said on Young & Restless on 5/19/06 ***************************** Edited by Nightowl Sept. 12, 2006, 10:52:16 AM EDT But my point seems to be missed I didn't say we were safer because of anything the government did. I tried to expain that we are safer now because we have had our eyes opened and know there is danger. Sure, there was always danger, from everywhere, not just from terrorists, we just weren't as aware of that and weren't taking the steps to keep ourselves safe. Like someone said, many relied on the government to keep us safe, or the local authorities. They still play a role, but the reason I said we are safer is because we are more aware today, "i.e. Yes it can happen to us" and we take steps to watch out for ourselves and our fellow men. Yes, Katrina was a catastrophe, and people weren't safe from it, but at least in some areas we all pulled together to help them. In St. Louis when we had the blackout, that wasn't safe for everyone either, but we all worked to see that one another was safe and unhurt and had what they needed. Quite simply my point was we are safer now because we are more aware and watchful, not because there are less attacks, I know there are more. We as individuals just have a higher tendency now to guard ourselves and our lives more effectively on a day to day level. Brenda "When you take charge of your life, there is no longer need to ask permission of other people or society at large. When you ask permission, you give someone veto power over your life." -- By Geoffrey F. Abert ************************ "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind, don't matter - and those who matter, don't mind." -- By Dr. Seuss ******************************* "Sometimes it takes a whole lot more strength to walk away than to stand there and fight." -- By the character of John Abbott: said on Young & Restless on 5/19/06 ******************************* Collapse All History
Post #267,296 by jake123 9/12/06 10:51:50 AM Reply	No, you're less safe, because the things the US have been doing have caused a much larger number of people to want to do you harm. That said, considering the odds (which are very tiny wrt terrorist actions), your safety is much more lessened because of gutting the Clean Air Act, gutting FEMA, gutting the CDC, gutting civil protections, etc... you have much more to be afraid of from your fellow citizens than you do from people in the Middle East. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #267,298 by drewk 9/12/06 10:53:52 AM Reply	Great minds, etc. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #267,299 by Nightowl 9/12/06 10:54:35 AM Reply	I tried to explain it again It's not what the US is doing or how many people are trying to cause me harm. It's a intelligence thing, and not the FBI, that's not what I mean. I mean we are smarter and learn more about how to stay safe from whoever might want to hurt us, or whatever catastrophe might occur. I'm not referring to whether the world or country around us is safer, only myself. Only my ability to watch over myself, and other individuals to do same. Brenda "When you take charge of your life, there is no longer need to ask permission of other people or society at large. When you ask permission, you give someone veto power over your life." -- By Geoffrey F. Abert ************************** "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind, don't matter - and those who matter, don't mind." -- By Dr. Seuss ******************************* "Sometimes it takes a whole lot more strength to walk away than to stand there and fight." -- By the character of John Abbott: said on Young & Restless on 5/19/06 *******************************
Post #267,300 by drewk 9/12/06 10:56:40 AM Reply	And I'll explain again You are not safer because of anything you are aware of. You can not prevent a terrorist attack. Believing that people may want to hurt us does not help. You have no control over this. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #267,303 by Nightowl 9/12/06 11:05:37 AM 9/12/06 11:07:31 AM Reply	Re: And I'll explain again You are not safer because of anything you are aware of. You can not prevent a terrorist attack. Believing that people may want to hurt us does not help. You have no control over this. Safer doesn't mean you have any control over anything. It just means you are more able to keep yourself safer in event of something happening. I never said I could prevent an attack, nor have ever stated I am completely SAFE from the attack, I said I am safer than I used to be due to having gained knowledge that helps me stay safer and watch out for myself during ANY catastrophe. This is not just about terrorism, it's about safety in general. Sorry you don't seem to get it. Brenda "When you take charge of your life, there is no longer need to ask permission of other people or society at large. When you ask permission, you give someone veto power over your life." -- By Geoffrey F. Abert ************************** "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind, don't matter - and those who matter, don't mind." -- By Dr. Seuss ******************************* "Sometimes it takes a whole lot more strength to walk away than to stand there and fight." -- By the character of John Abbott: said on Young & Restless on 5/19/06 ******************************* Edited by Nightowl Sept. 12, 2006, 11:07:31 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #267,297 by drewk 9/12/06 10:53:15 AM 9/12/06 10:54:46 AM Reply	No We are not safer from terrorism because we are aware of anything. Anyone who wants to blow some of us up can, whether we are aware of it or not. The only thing we are possibly safer from is having a plane taken over. Nothing else. But thanks to what this administration has done we are less safe from anything that can't be tied to terrorism. You know, things that actually happen. We are less safe from false imprisonment due to illegal searches. We are less safe from imprisonment without charge. We are less safe from being barred re-entry to the country we were born in. We are less safe from being denied free movement about the country. We are less safe from natural disasters, because we're focused on man-mad threats. We are less safe from poverty that could be prevented if we weren't pouring all our money down a bottomless hole called the War on Terror. We are less safe from stress-related disorders caused by constant threats made by our own "leaders". In short no, we are not safer from a damn thing that's likely to happen. And we are much less safe from things that happen every day. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com] Edited by drewk Sept. 12, 2006, 10:54:46 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #267,302 by Nightowl 9/12/06 11:01:59 AM 9/12/06 11:08:59 AM Reply	On an individual level only. One more time. I as a person am safer because I have a better awareness of the dangers around me in the world, whether they be manmade, natural or terrorism. Can I still be blown up, yes. Can I still be shot, yes. Can I still be in an accident, yes. But I have taken more precautions, and not because I'm in fear for my life all the time, I've gotten past that initial reaction. I have taken those precautions because I have learned to protect myself better. I.e. avoid disasters when I can, by having safety measures in place, drive carefully, watch around me when walking to and from my car. This isn't a statement about whether the world around me is safer, or whether I am safe, because as I explained in the original post, there is no actual safe. I am simply able to protect myself better than I used to because I am more aware. The attacks of 9/11 were no different than Hurricane Katrina in that sense only, that they taught us "Yes this CAN happen to us." And hopefully next time, on an individual level, people will be more able to help themselves in such a disaster. One more statement and I have to get offline today. In St. Louis, some people whined about there being no electricity for days. Some had no flashlights, no unperishable food, etc. They expected the government to come to their rescue. Granted, the government should help some, but what are the odds now that after the disaster has hit, MORE people have working flashlights, have stored up non-perishable food and drinking water, etc. etc. I know I have increased my ability to handle that type of disaster, so therefore I learned. That is my simple point. We learn more about how to protect ourselves with each experience we encounter, and therefore we are safer in that respect only. Not in regards to the world or country or city around us. Brenda "When you take charge of your life, there is no longer need to ask permission of other people or society at large. When you ask permission, you give someone veto power over your life." -- By Geoffrey F. Abert ************************** "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind, don't matter - and those who matter, don't mind." -- By Dr. Seuss ******************************* "Sometimes it takes a whole lot more strength to walk away than to stand there and fight." -- By the character of John Abbott: said on Young & Restless on 5/19/06 ******************************* Edited by Nightowl Sept. 12, 2006, 11:08:59 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #267,305 by hnick 9/12/06 11:21:55 AM Reply	I think what you are talking about is confidence The more adversity you survive, the more confident you are about surviving the next. It's not the same as being safer, but it may feel like it. On the other paw, maybe this isn't what you're talking about. In which case _{never mind}
Post #267,306 by Nightowl 9/12/06 11:25:56 AM 9/12/06 11:27:18 AM Reply	Confidence, that works too. :) The more adversity you survive, the more confident you are about surviving the next. It's not the same as being safer, but it may feel like it. That word seems to work too. :) Just add onto that the fact that the knowledge of how to take care of myself and protect myself brings that confidence that I can cope or get through it, or watch out for dangers more readily. :) But yes, the word confidence works when stated as "I have more confidence because I have gained more knowledge to use in those situations." Brenda "When you take charge of your life, there is no longer need to ask permission of other people or society at large. When you ask permission, you give someone veto power over your life." -- By Geoffrey F. Abert ************************** "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind, don't matter - and those who matter, don't mind." -- By Dr. Seuss ******************************* "Sometimes it takes a whole lot more strength to walk away than to stand there and fight." -- By the character of John Abbott: said on Young & Restless on 5/19/06 ******************************* Edited by Nightowl Sept. 12, 2006, 11:27:18 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #267,719 by pwhysall 9/15/06 10:22:51 PM Reply	Re: On an individual level only. I as a person am safer because I have a better awareness of the dangers around me in the world, whether they be manmade, natural or terrorism. Can I still be blown up, yes. Can I still be shot, yes. Can I still be in an accident, yes. Your awareness does not raise your safety level. You are less safe because your government has reduced your safety level in the name of the Wah on Terrah. Drewk explains above. The risks that have increased are those which you cannot influence. Have a nice day. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator]
Post #267,354 by Ashton 9/12/06 3:47:33 PM Reply	An accurate beginning-list, at least around the nebulous idea of 'safety'. But around the idea of damage done by this Confederacy of Dunces Believe that title has been taken.. (Damage: to whom / by whom / to what effect?) - as surely relates to a sense of er, psychic? 'safety' within one's daily environment - Believe that mere prose can only hint at the toxicity of these slime, compounded unquantifiably by the fact that: all Institutions failed to act upon basic tenets of the Country's founding principles! Worst of all, within this dirty snowball of expectations: the vast plurality of Peepul Didn't Even Notice! - the magnitude of the lies, spin, and the underlying but Clear disdain of this cabal: for Them, in every sense of the relationship of a government to its 'governed'. This is the stuff of Greek tragedy, and all we have around are the pipsqueaks of mundane carping. (Yeah too.. we all suffer for the loss of Irony as a viable tool..) Now we are all forced to consider, in one form or another, the question -- does there remain much here today, actually Worth 'dying for'? .. when you have to pause and think a while, before replying: that's what I Mean. Screw 'safety'; what we lack is Integrity - slaves usually are! 'kept safe' by Owners: they're a valuable commodity (and a source of protein, after their production declines.) Soylent Wolfowitz?

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