I seriously doubt any of the regulars here . . .

Post #263,063 by Andrew Grygus 7/30/06 5:14:02 PM Reply	I seriously doubt any of the regulars here . . . . . have enough time on their hands or enough interest to bother persuing you. You've either made enemies elsewhere or your immagination is getting the better of you. Anyway, welcome back - and keep it up with the improvement. Congrats on the degree. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #263,067 by orion 7/30/06 5:27:34 PM Reply	Re: I seriously doubt any of the regulars here . . . Thanks, I am trying not to feed my paranoia. Yet when I get compared to a supossid dead-beat dad it is crossing the line and feeding my paranoia. I am trying to learn how not to get the way I did in the past and to confront my past and try to improve for my future. "It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have learned English -- up to fifty words used in correct context -- no human being has been reported to have learned dolphinese." Carl Sagan (1934 - 1996) [link\|http://district268.xormad.com\|I am from District 268].
Post #263,070 by ChrisR 7/30/06 5:34:36 PM Reply	Just a point of clarification... ...the person in question is not a deadbeat - standing by the financial obligations.
Post #263,074 by orion 7/30/06 5:47:32 PM Reply	Re: Just a point of clarification... Ok I did not read that far, but why was I compared to him? What I did and what he is accused of doing are not the same things. Maybe I am imaginaing things, like Wiki pages being blanked and a link back to here to some of my old posts added in place of the content. I admit I did not write all of the Wiki, but I did contribute to it. Anyone know anything about those sort of things? "It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have learned English -- up to fifty words used in correct context -- no human being has been reported to have learned dolphinese." Carl Sagan (1934 - 1996) [link\|http://district268.xormad.com\|I am from District 268].
Post #263,075 by ChrisR 7/30/06 5:53:58 PM Reply	Moved to flame forum Since that's probably a better place to quarintine this particular subject.
Post #263,077 by orion 7/30/06 6:22:00 PM Reply	Re: Moved to flame forum I am trying to avoid the flame forum. Here is the problem, I go away, I am gone for two years, and some people have not moved on and still accuse me of things here. I go away to other places on the Internet and links on vandalized wiki pages have URLs that point back to posts I made here long ago. What did people expect me to do? Yet I see that I still have some friends here, and that is a good enough reason to come back here. Not everyone here is against me, maybe only a select few are if any really are. Yet how can I change when the past is kept being brought up towards me? I am not denying anything I did, and I am trying to improve. I am saying it makes it difficult to try and change, and I sort of see it as harassment and attacks. I tried ignoring it, but that didn't work. If people really wanted me gone, they would have stopped talking about it and moved on. "It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have learned English -- up to fifty words used in correct context -- no human being has been reported to have learned dolphinese." Carl Sagan (1934 - 1996) [link\|http://district268.xormad.com\|I am from District 268].
Post #263,078 by jake123 7/30/06 6:25:36 PM Reply	Orion imho there's not a lot for you to gain here. I don't know who vandalised your pages at other locations, but I doubt it was anyone here. Finding your posts here would take moments in Google; it could have been anyone on the Internet. I moved on a long time ago, and I suspect that most people here have as well. It might be a good idea if you did the same. As someone's already said, bridges have been burnt and he doesn't feel you're welcome here. I suspect that there are others here who feel the same, probably many others. I'd suggest that you just drop it, move on, and not come back. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #263,081 by ChrisR 7/30/06 6:40:56 PM Reply	My accusation... ...is that you seem to frame everything in terms of yourself - constantly steering the conversation in that direction. And this particular set of posts has done nothing to disabuse me of this notion, as I consider it counterproductive to your stated goals.
Post #263,083 by orion 7/30/06 6:46:21 PM Reply	Re: My accusation... What must be done differently? How can I start some friendships and try to change for the betterment and contribute to this group? Not my goals, but the group's goals. "It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have learned English -- up to fifty words used in correct context -- no human being has been reported to have learned dolphinese." Carl Sagan (1934 - 1996) [link\|http://district268.xormad.com\|I am from District 268].
Post #263,084 by jake123 7/30/06 6:48:07 PM Reply	By leaving. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #263,086 by orion 7/30/06 6:57:25 PM Reply	Re: By leaving. I tried that and it didn't work. What makes you think it will work this time? "It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have learned English -- up to fifty words used in correct context -- no human being has been reported to have learned dolphinese." Carl Sagan (1934 - 1996) [link\|http://district268.xormad.com\|I am from District 268].
Post #263,090 by drewk 7/30/06 7:04:04 PM Reply	Do it better, don't give up so easy === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #263,095 by orion 7/30/06 7:19:38 PM Reply	Re: Do it better, don't give up so easy Some people make it really hard for me to continue to stay away. "It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have learned English -- up to fifty words used in correct context -- no human being has been reported to have learned dolphinese." Carl Sagan (1934 - 1996) [link\|http://district268.xormad.com\|I am from District 268].
Post #263,099 by rcareaga 7/30/06 7:43:15 PM Reply	Leaving worked just fine Honest, Norm. Within days of your departure the number of cutting remarks about orion fell off steeply. As others have noted, you were alluded to at ever-longer intervals following that final post in September of ought-four (a disappearance immediately preceded, if memory serves, by a last couple of instances of sock puppetry under a new nom de wank), and have figured in our discussions very seldom and then only fleetingly for scores of weeks past. I can't speak for the rest of the group, but by this long, hot summer my own memories of your participation here had faded and mellowed to a vague sense of gratitude that wherever you were, at liberty or confined, sleeping on a sofa or in a nice comfortable bed of loam, you were at least not here, and for that effortless absence of yours you have never stood higher in my esteem. You racked up an excellent record for 22 months and then threw it all away today. Still, it was a sound proof-of-concept: you can earn some goodwill. Leave now and stay away until March of 2010 and everyone will like you twice as much as we did until today. curdle-ially, Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
Post #263,103 by orion 7/30/06 7:55:39 PM Reply	No it didn't I know I can contribute here without going back to multiple sock puppet accounts. It went so so for 22 months, but I was still mentioned and things brought me back here. Witness that I used the orion account and I did not create a new one and pretend to be someone else. Witness that I did contribute to a few threads on things not about myself. It is some progress, but it is not enough. I can do better in my contributions, I know it. "It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have learned English -- up to fifty words used in correct context -- no human being has been reported to have learned dolphinese." Carl Sagan (1934 - 1996) [link\|http://district268.xormad.com\|I am from District 268].
Post #263,107 by broomberg 7/30/06 8:20:50 PM Reply	Stop it Accept that you annoy the fuck out of some people. They don't like you. They will never like you. They will never accept you. They don't have to. Accept that if you talk about yourself, "doing better", "joining in", etc, you are giving them the opportunity to vent. Do not respond. Do not try to validate yourself. If you find yourself posting, somewhere, on topic, and you have something to add, do it. No problem. As long as you don't refer to yourself, then any response that refers to your whacko history is not on topic, and you can maintain the moral highground by NOT RESPONDING. Don't post personal stories about yourself. It'll just be an opening for people to rip you to shreds. Keep it up for a month or so. Stay on topic, do not refer to yourself, contribute a bit. As I said in the past, you a smart guy. Fucking insane, but a smart guy. If you can actually keep it up, maybe you'll earn enough trust to be accepted as someone to bullshit with, someone who's point of view might actually make sense, someone who can be invited in to share a bit of perosnal time with. BUT DON'T BOTHER TRYING TO DO IT UNTIL YOU'VE PROVEN YOURSELF.
Post #263,112 by orion 7/30/06 8:39:09 PM Reply	Re: Stop it Good advice. I am not trying to force people to accept me, at one time before I actually did contribute to this group. I accept that not all accept me, but yet there are those who are kind. I am not perfect, but if I avoid those topics and take your advice, I think I can do better. Thanks. "It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have learned English -- up to fifty words used in correct context -- no human being has been reported to have learned dolphinese." Carl Sagan (1934 - 1996) [link\|http://district268.xormad.com\|I am from District 268].
Post #263,087 by admin 7/30/06 7:00:04 PM Reply	The "group" doesn't have "goals" The group just has a low tolerance for antisocial behavior. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #263,215 by JayMehaffey 7/31/06 3:16:11 PM Reply	Actually I would say it's pretty high The group just has a low tolerance for antisocial behavior. Actually I would say it's pretty high. However, once you hit that tolerance, there isn't much forgive around here. Jay
Post #263,219 by Another Scott 7/31/06 3:27:23 PM Reply	Once? Hmmm.
Post #263,222 by Nightowl 7/31/06 3:40:28 PM 7/31/06 3:41:34 PM Reply	Just for the record, Jay People often forgive, but that doesn't mean they want rounds 2 and 3 and etc. In other words, I've forgiven many people in my life, but that doesn't mean I have to continue to let them be in my life, or be part of my life. There's a point where I choose to protect myself from those continued influences. Brenda "When you take charge of your life, there is no longer need to ask permission of other people or society at large. When you ask permission, you give someone veto power over your life." -- By Geoffrey F. Abert ************************** "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind, don't matter - and those who matter, don't mind." -- By Dr. Seuss ******************************* "Sometimes it takes a whole lot more strength to walk away than to stand there and fight." -- By the character of John Abbott: said on Young & Restless on 5/19/06 ******************************* Edited by Nightowl July 31, 2006, 03:41:34 PM EDT Expand All History

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