Another major problem with Gitmo trials

Post #260,497 by JayMehaffey 6/30/06 1:29:18 PM Reply	Another major problem with Gitmo trials [link\|http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,,1809981,00.html\|Guardian UK] Two years ago the US military invited Mr Mujahid, a former Afghan police commander accused of plotting against the United States, to prove his innocence before a special military tribunal. As was his right, Mr Mujahid called four witnesses from Afghanistan. But months later the tribunal president returned with bad news: the witnesses could not be found. Mr Mujahid's hopes sank and he was returned to the wire-mesh cell where he remains today. The Guardian searched for Mr Mujahid's witnesses and found them within three days. One was working for President Hamid Karzai. Another was teaching at a leading American college. The third was living in Kabul. The fourth, it turned out, was dead. Each witness said he had never been approached by the Americans to testify in Mr Mujahid's hearing. Very ugly. The failure here is so blunt that it can only be assumed that no attempt was actually made to track them down. Even the most trivial of inquires to the government in Afganistan would have turned up the first two at the mininum. Jay
Post #260,498 by jake123 6/30/06 1:38:06 PM 6/30/06 1:38:54 PM Reply	The imperial adventure is destroying your country the sad thing is that it's quite deliberate, and it's being done by yourselves to yourselves by those seeking personal and class advantage, not by some nebulous terrorist threat. In the long run, Gitmo will have a worse effect on the US than the war in Iraq will, and the war in Iraq is having a very bad effect on the US. Edit: tyop. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n------------------------------------------------------------------- Edited by jake123 June 30, 2006, 01:38:54 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #260,500 by JayMehaffey 6/30/06 2:07:46 PM Reply	Re: The imperial adventure is destroying your country The imperial adventure is destroying your country the sad thing is that it's quite deliberate, and it's being done by yourselves to yourselves by those seeking personal and class advantage, not by some nebulous terrorist threat. Depends on what you mean by deliberate. If you mean deliberate in the sense that they are intentionally destroying the country, then I have to disagree. If you mean it in the sense of deliberatly overriding the law to achive what they want, then I would agree. There is nothing I have seen from the administration that gives me the idea that they are intentionally trying to craft a facist state. But their desire for personal gain, political power and victory at any cost is having the same effect. In the long run, Gitmo will have a worse effect on the US than the war in Iraq will, and the war in Iraq is having a very bad effect on the US. That I fully agree with. Jay
Post #260,513 by jake123 6/30/06 3:28:55 PM Reply	Re: The imperial adventure is destroying your country There is nothing I have seen from the administration that gives me the idea that they are intentionally trying to craft a facist state. But their desire for personal gain, political power and victory at any cost is having the same effect. Sounds a lot like fascism to me; that's what motivated the fascists and their allies in industry in Europe in the thirties. The only difference is they say they're trying to preserve a free society while their actions are destroying it in the name of personal gain (political power is a means to that end, I believe). The fascists explicitly proclaimed their aims, and used order (as in law'n'order politics) as a means of getting the citizenry to go along with it. The only difference is they never pretended that the people on the bottom would actually be free, while these guys do. Really, I think a lot of this is about lining their pockets at the expense of the US citizenry, and creating the conditions that will permit them to do so indefinitely. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #260,525 by Ashton 6/30/06 11:16:05 PM Reply	Most of the cabal piously espouse their despising of ordinary lust; ostensibly this is via their smarmily-perfected religio natures - while their concupiscence demonstrates absolutely, that they are all driven by the exact same appetite. I suspect that, within the cabal -- the personal-Cash aspect is a mere fringe benefit of this heady lust for Unlimited Power of all sorts. Hubris means, they are sure that they can arrange to retain that indefinitely, too. It's Nice when such myopic and nasty creatures have these flaws. Our increasingly methodical language murder though, has practically elided a word such as hypocrite from daily epithets.. meanwhile the 'Conservatives', ever incapable of even a terse recitation of what it is they imagine they are out to 'conserve' - are also willfully unaware that what they have become, are Reactionaries. When you lose the stark, incisive words ... all that's left are slogans. The rest that has happened here is merely the execution; those procedural details were trivial, once the banal slogans were seen to succeed. Rove/G\ufffdbbels - same guy/different suit; just a generation's difference. (A Suit is as good as a Uniform, unless there's a lot of marching needed - they're too outta shape for that, in any case.) Not sure how premeditated is the connection between the incessant daily barrage of, You Need One of These Now! and Muricans' characteristically short attention span -?- should be worth a Thesis or two to find out. But this forgetfulness process happens a lot here. Haven't seen Canadian consumption numbers (#-of-stuff or $/capita) lately, though: are youse guys keeping Up? Hmmm - transistors die at Fahrenheit 451, too.

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