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Post #255,891 by ben_tilly 5/18/06 1:05:46 PM Reply	Yeah, right. I, for one, do not believe that those presidential memoranda have the legal force that Bush wants us to believe. Bush is president of a Republic, he is not (yet) officially emperor. And there is still hope that someday the people will realize that that piece of paper being trampled under foot is the Constitution, and it is important. (One hopes.) Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #255,895 by boxley 5/18/06 1:39:47 PM Reply	the purpose of a presidential finding is to cover the operatives ass, not the presidents. It just makes him/the office responsible for the action taken. No denialbility allowed. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #255,903 by bepatient 5/18/06 3:31:40 PM Reply	Your point is the most valid He can write all the Presidential memos he wants. They are NOT laws and they cannot promote the violation of laws. So, he has given someone "authority" to do something he doesn't have the authority to do. It won't he upheld by any Judge...not even the right wing supreme court ;-) If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]

So USA Today is full of it, I guess? - (bepatient) - (30) - May 16, 2006, 05:48:47 PM EDT

Or 2 of 3 carriers are. -NT - (Silverlock) - May 16, 2006, 06:18:47 PM EDT

Definitely calls for an investigation - (Simon_Jester) - (22) - May 16, 2006, 06:51:46 PM EDT

its fear of lawsuits, their denials are very carefully - (boxley) - (21) - May 16, 2006, 08:11:37 PM EDT

I did notice that.... ( && Nacchio) - (Simon_Jester) - (4) - May 17, 2006, 09:37:51 AM EDT

Non-denial denials anyone? - (Silverlock) - (3) - May 17, 2006, 11:17:37 AM EDT

Lawyers bill by the minute.... You expected a quick answer? -NT - (jbrabeck) - (1) - May 17, 2006, 11:45:58 AM EDT

These lawyers are probably internal counsel or on retainer - (drewk) - May 17, 2006, 11:50:57 AM EDT

Lawyers bill by the minute.... You expected a quick answer? -NT - (jbrabeck) - May 17, 2006, 11:46:16 AM EDT

So you think there is a legal distinction - (bepatient) - (15) - May 17, 2006, 04:24:57 PM EDT

Sure, leave it to the lawyers to have one. - (a6l6e6x) - (14) - May 17, 2006, 04:39:12 PM EDT

you think they want to defend that - (bepatient) - (13) - May 17, 2006, 04:53:06 PM EDT

I wouldn't either, but IANAL. - (a6l6e6x) - (2) - May 18, 2006, 01:15:44 PM EDT

s/and/in/ -NT - (CRConrad) - (1) - May 18, 2006, 06:22:47 AM EDT

Thanks! You are right. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - May 18, 2006, 01:17:06 PM EDT

Well, those comments wouldn't go before a Jury, would they? - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - May 17, 2006, 05:59:47 PM EDT

The EFF v. AT&T case? That was filed on 1/31/2006. - (Another Scott) - May 17, 2006, 08:02:03 PM EDT

They won't need to defend anything - (Silverlock) - (7) - May 18, 2006, 09:13:06 AM EDT

"If the president does it, it's not illegal" - (GBert) - (2) - May 18, 2006, 10:17:28 AM EDT

Nice segue to Tom Toles 5/18/2006 cartoon. 27 kB .img - (Another Scott) - (1) - May 18, 2006, 10:24:24 AM EDT

awesome, i hadn't seen that ! -NT - (GBert) - May 18, 2006, 11:25:38 AM EDT

permits no violations of securities law, does not - (boxley) - May 18, 2006, 11:34:45 AM EDT

Yeah, right. - (ben_tilly) - (2) - May 18, 2006, 01:05:46 PM EDT

the purpose of a presidential finding is to cover - (boxley) - May 18, 2006, 01:39:47 PM EDT

Your point is the most valid - (bepatient) - May 18, 2006, 03:31:40 PM EDT

One other possibility... - (jb4) - (3) - May 17, 2006, 06:13:56 PM EDT

Huh? I was under the impression, this IS "Carnivore". DYMV? -NT - (CRConrad) - (2) - May 18, 2006, 06:31:32 AM EDT

Not supposed to be... - (jb4) - May 18, 2006, 02:29:04 PM EDT

No, Carnivore is Dead... *BUT*... - (folkert) - May 18, 2006, 04:13:37 PM EDT

Now Wired is into the act.... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - May 17, 2006, 06:19:29 PM EDT

CCCP redux. -NT - (mmoffitt) - May 18, 2006, 09:41:35 AM EDT

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