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Post #255,796 by jb4 5/17/06 6:13:56 PM Reply	One other possibility... The Bells are telling the truth; NSA didn't get the records from the Bells, but through "other means" (can you say "Carnivore"?...I knew you could....). The statement (or, nmore accurately, implication) that they got it from the Bells is disinformation to keep knowledge of these "other means" away from the vast unwashed. jb4 "So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't." — Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06
Post #255,838 by CRConrad 5/18/06 6:31:32 AM Reply	Huh? I was under the impression, this IS "Carnivore". DYMV?
Post #255,900 by jb4 5/18/06 2:29:04 PM Reply	Not supposed to be... These were records supposed handed over by the Bells' own free will, simply for the asking. Carnivore, as I understand it, Is supposed to gather (at least) this same info without the knowledge or consent of the Bells (or anybody else, for that matter). jb4 "So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't." — Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06
Post #255,906 by folkert 5/18/06 4:13:37 PM Reply	No, Carnivore is Dead... BUT... The system that replaced it is guaged at being 70,000 times more powerful. Literally Racks and Racks and Racks of machines sitting there scanning all traffic from AT&T. Did you ever wonder why an Simple Outage in DC can have a huge effect across the WHOLE eastern Seaboard. It even did knock out my connectivity. No, this isn't the information you are looking for. Move along. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.

So USA Today is full of it, I guess? - (bepatient) - (30) - May 16, 2006, 05:48:47 PM EDT

Or 2 of 3 carriers are. -NT - (Silverlock) - May 16, 2006, 06:18:47 PM EDT

Definitely calls for an investigation - (Simon_Jester) - (22) - May 16, 2006, 06:51:46 PM EDT

its fear of lawsuits, their denials are very carefully - (boxley) - (21) - May 16, 2006, 08:11:37 PM EDT

I did notice that.... ( && Nacchio) - (Simon_Jester) - (4) - May 17, 2006, 09:37:51 AM EDT

Non-denial denials anyone? - (Silverlock) - (3) - May 17, 2006, 11:17:37 AM EDT

Lawyers bill by the minute.... You expected a quick answer? -NT - (jbrabeck) - (1) - May 17, 2006, 11:45:58 AM EDT

These lawyers are probably internal counsel or on retainer - (drewk) - May 17, 2006, 11:50:57 AM EDT

Lawyers bill by the minute.... You expected a quick answer? -NT - (jbrabeck) - May 17, 2006, 11:46:16 AM EDT

So you think there is a legal distinction - (bepatient) - (15) - May 17, 2006, 04:24:57 PM EDT

Sure, leave it to the lawyers to have one. - (a6l6e6x) - (14) - May 17, 2006, 04:39:12 PM EDT

you think they want to defend that - (bepatient) - (13) - May 17, 2006, 04:53:06 PM EDT

I wouldn't either, but IANAL. - (a6l6e6x) - (2) - May 18, 2006, 01:15:44 PM EDT

s/and/in/ -NT - (CRConrad) - (1) - May 18, 2006, 06:22:47 AM EDT

Thanks! You are right. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - May 18, 2006, 01:17:06 PM EDT

Well, those comments wouldn't go before a Jury, would they? - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - May 17, 2006, 05:59:47 PM EDT

The EFF v. AT&T case? That was filed on 1/31/2006. - (Another Scott) - May 17, 2006, 08:02:03 PM EDT

They won't need to defend anything - (Silverlock) - (7) - May 18, 2006, 09:13:06 AM EDT

"If the president does it, it's not illegal" - (GBert) - (2) - May 18, 2006, 10:17:28 AM EDT

Nice segue to Tom Toles 5/18/2006 cartoon. 27 kB .img - (Another Scott) - (1) - May 18, 2006, 10:24:24 AM EDT

awesome, i hadn't seen that ! -NT - (GBert) - May 18, 2006, 11:25:38 AM EDT

permits no violations of securities law, does not - (boxley) - May 18, 2006, 11:34:45 AM EDT

Yeah, right. - (ben_tilly) - (2) - May 18, 2006, 01:05:46 PM EDT

the purpose of a presidential finding is to cover - (boxley) - May 18, 2006, 01:39:47 PM EDT

Your point is the most valid - (bepatient) - May 18, 2006, 03:31:40 PM EDT

One other possibility... - (jb4) - (3) - May 17, 2006, 06:13:56 PM EDT

Huh? I was under the impression, this IS "Carnivore". DYMV? -NT - (CRConrad) - (2) - May 18, 2006, 06:31:32 AM EDT

Not supposed to be... - (jb4) - May 18, 2006, 02:29:04 PM EDT

No, Carnivore is Dead... *BUT*... - (folkert) - May 18, 2006, 04:13:37 PM EDT

Now Wired is into the act.... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - May 17, 2006, 06:19:29 PM EDT

CCCP redux. -NT - (mmoffitt) - May 18, 2006, 09:41:35 AM EDT

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