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New Be careful what you as for
Do you really want the things a person says to be considered in setting a punishment in a criminal case?

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179. I will not outsource core functions.
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New No, but I can sure mock him for it:)
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New I actually would
For three reasons.

1. I dislike hypocrites.

2. In the unlikely event of my being at trial, it would help me.

3. Because it seems fair to me.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New WRT #2 - that depends on who does the judging

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179. I will not outsource core functions.
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[link|http://omega.med.yale.edu/~pcy5/misc/overlord2.htm|.]

New Everything depends on who does the judging
Judges have quite a bit of flexibility in sentencing.
Both in deciding what the facts are, and in deciding how to punish people for them.

If my actual statements about punishment are used as a guideline for sentencing, then I'd be sentenced leniently. If a judge wanted to railroad me, then I'd be toast no matter what rules were officially used to come up with the judgement.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New Your view is too narrow
You're considering how your statements about sentencing will affect your punishment. What I was talking about was the general idea that people should be punished differently depending on their world view. Once you admit this in principle, it can't fail but to lead to political prisoners. And the decent people like you will be the first to suffer.

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179. I will not outsource core functions.
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[link|http://omega.med.yale.edu/~pcy5/misc/overlord2.htm|.]

New Then you're talking about something different than I was
I agree with your clarified position. Fact is, I'm an atheist in a society that loathes atheists. Yes, I would be a target.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New Let's see if we can take it one more step further
Suppose you're an atheist in a country of ateists. Would it be a good thing for you to have your punishment changed taking your convictions into account? I'd say "No", because, as good an atheist as you are, there will be a better one doing the judging. You simply consider the belivers wrong and silly. The judge will consider them harmful, to be eliminated. Why, we heard just such a phrase from our very own mmoffitt. And it was he, not you who will do the judging, because, at first, he is more interested in promoting his extremism than you are in promoting your moderation. And, at a later stage, the judgeship attracts people who you wouldn't give time of day anyway.

So, even when you feel that the stars are perfectly allined in your interest - just don't go there. The only safe stand is the principled one.

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179. I will not outsource core functions.
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[link|http://omega.med.yale.edu/~pcy5/misc/overlord2.htm|.]

New You're still talking about something different than I was
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
     Limbaugh pays his way out of criminal case - (JayMehaffey) - (12)
         I think arrangements like that are pretty common. - (Another Scott) - (2)
             Generally yes - (JayMehaffey) - (1)
                 Extenuating circumstances... - (hnick)
         Be careful what you as for - (Arkadiy) - (8)
             No, but I can sure mock him for it:) -NT - (jake123)
             I actually would - (ben_tilly) - (6)
                 WRT #2 - that depends on who does the judging -NT - (Arkadiy) - (5)
                     Everything depends on who does the judging - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                         Your view is too narrow - (Arkadiy) - (3)
                             Then you're talking about something different than I was - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                 Let's see if we can take it one more step further - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                     You're still talking about something different than I was -NT - (ben_tilly)

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