Post #253,801
4/28/06 8:20:02 PM
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Limbaugh pays his way out of criminal case
[link|http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aWoC1fDcQ11Y&refer=us|Bloomberg.com] Radio commentator Rush Limbaugh, who's accused of improperly acquiring prescription drugs from doctors, agreed to pay $30,000 and continue treatment to have a criminal charge against him dropped in Florida. Plea agreement of some sort. Considering the amount of the fine I would normally consider that pretty fair for a first time offender, though the fine seems a little low consider Limbaugh's wealth. Except Limbaugh has a long history of saying first time offenders should get hard jail time. Apparently he actually only thinks first time offenders should get jail time if they are poor and have no connections. And doubly annoying in this case because it looks like they are going to let him off without a guilty plea or conviction. Jay
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Post #253,802
4/28/06 8:32:22 PM
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I think arrangements like that are pretty common.
If he violates the terms of the plea agreement, the state can come after him again with more serious charges.
The [link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/28/AR2006042801692.html|Washington Post] has more details.
Cheers, Scott.
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Post #253,823
4/29/06 10:50:36 AM
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Generally yes
Plea agreements of one type or another are very common in the US. And for a first time abuse (rather then selling drugs) case I think his deal is pretty resonable.
I'm just a little annoyed that Limbaugh got a pretrial agreement rather then a sentencing agreement, so he will be able to say he was never convicted or found guilty.
Jay
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Post #253,825
4/29/06 10:56:00 AM
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Extenuating circumstances...
Without the hypocracy, he's got no means of support. And he does support the war on drugs, except for being a junky.
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Post #253,869
4/30/06 11:48:10 AM
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Be careful what you as for
Do you really want the things a person says to be considered in setting a punishment in a criminal case?
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Post #253,872
4/30/06 12:31:29 PM
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No, but I can sure mock him for it:)
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Post #253,885
4/30/06 4:05:37 PM
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I actually would
For three reasons.
1. I dislike hypocrites.
2. In the unlikely event of my being at trial, it would help me.
3. Because it seems fair to me.
Cheers, Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #253,942
4/30/06 10:00:09 PM
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WRT #2 - that depends on who does the judging
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Post #253,964
5/1/06 1:59:43 AM
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Everything depends on who does the judging
Judges have quite a bit of flexibility in sentencing. Both in deciding what the facts are, and in deciding how to punish people for them.
If my actual statements about punishment are used as a guideline for sentencing, then I'd be sentenced leniently. If a judge wanted to railroad me, then I'd be toast no matter what rules were officially used to come up with the judgement.
Cheers, Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #254,218
5/2/06 8:10:32 PM
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Your view is too narrow
You're considering how your statements about sentencing will affect your punishment. What I was talking about was the general idea that people should be punished differently depending on their world view. Once you admit this in principle, it can't fail but to lead to political prisoners. And the decent people like you will be the first to suffer.
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Post #254,240
5/2/06 11:11:11 PM
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Then you're talking about something different than I was
I agree with your clarified position. Fact is, I'm an atheist in a society that loathes atheists. Yes, I would be a target.
Cheers, Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #254,628
5/6/06 11:42:01 AM
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Let's see if we can take it one more step further
Suppose you're an atheist in a country of ateists. Would it be a good thing for you to have your punishment changed taking your convictions into account? I'd say "No", because, as good an atheist as you are, there will be a better one doing the judging. You simply consider the belivers wrong and silly. The judge will consider them harmful, to be eliminated. Why, we heard just such a phrase from our very own mmoffitt. And it was he, not you who will do the judging, because, at first, he is more interested in promoting his extremism than you are in promoting your moderation. And, at a later stage, the judgeship attracts people who you wouldn't give time of day anyway.
So, even when you feel that the stars are perfectly allined in your interest - just don't go there. The only safe stand is the principled one.
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Post #254,730
5/8/06 2:25:39 AM
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You're still talking about something different than I was
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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