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New I agree
David Irving is a great example of a bad historian, somebody that lets there personal bias rather then evidence, control what goes into their books. But to say that he should be jailed for being a Holocaust denier is equivlent to saying that people should be jailed for writing books that take a non-government approved posistions on history.

I understand that cases like this can be complex, because many people will carefully skirt the line on how far they can go without directly advocating violence. But nothing I have seen says that Irving is in that category.

On a side note, I don't think the European countries understand the degree to which these laws make the various forms of neonazism and fascism popular. Not only does making it illegal create a black market for nazi goods, but when any government tries to make an idea illegal they just encourage some people to embrace it.

Jay
New Anent the symbolism
- the unanticipated result of most cases of trying to make odious character traits submit to The Law:

I have a couple of Nazi pins ~1" dia porcelain-filled lapel badges; swastika on white background; text around outer edge. (Part of some trade in an antiques show, long ago.)

And today - while these are authentic artifacts of an age:
I can't see "selling them" to any highest bidder - maybe donate to some museum, in the end. (They are very clean - no visible bloodstains at all..) thus might otherwise end up on someone's altar. I suppose I'd share in that karma.

These are Icons deserving of -Clasting

     To head off the upcoming questions: - (Arkadiy) - (22)
         I do. - (CRConrad) - (5)
             When they came for neo-nazis, I was right behind them... -NT - (Arkadiy) - (4)
                 Gibber, gibber. You want to say something, be explicit. -NT - (CRConrad) - (3)
                     OK, explicitly - (Arkadiy) - (2)
                         Bullshit, twice over. - (CRConrad) - (1)
                             Re: Bullshit, twice over. - (Arkadiy)
         I agree - (JayMehaffey) - (1)
             Anent the symbolism - (Ashton)
         I disagree with what he says and - (andread) - (1)
             ICDLRPD (new thread) - (Ashton)
         Hitchens agrees with you. - (Another Scott) - (11)
             Sadly, it may come down to - - (Ashton)
             "Discourage"? - (pwhysall) - (7)
                 I fought over that word for a while. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                     I'm with you. - (pwhysall) - (5)
                         I'd call it anti-incitement rather than hate speech. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                             Mirrors my view on DUI laws - (drewk) - (3)
                                 Yeah-never mind *why* they drink,punish *all* drunk driving! -NT - (CRConrad) - (2)
                                     punish the impaired driver whether cell phone or booze -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                         Idiots is the problem, as always. - (pwhysall)
             To be fair, - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                 read it twice, once when I was ten and again 20 yrs ago - (boxley)

Oh, for the love of cheese.
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