retouching

Post #242,820 by cforde 1/28/06 1:52:33 AM Reply	retouching what do you think, do most of [link\|http://www.glennferon.com/portfolio1/index.html\|these pictures] look more like cartoons than people? (select a picture and then mouse over to see the original) Have fun, Carl Forde
Post #242,821 by Yendor 1/28/06 2:20:50 AM Reply	Wow. The man knows his craft, that's for damn sure. -YendorMike "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Post #242,850 by pwhysall 1/28/06 11:04:56 AM Reply	You think so? I think he's found the "clone" and "repair" tools in Photoshop, and has decided that all retouching jobs now consist of "make person orange, make skin flat, highlight boobs and bum". This site came up on another forum which has a couple of professional pixelpushers as residents; they thought it was hamfisted crap, and I must say I agree. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #242,856 by Yendor 1/28/06 11:45:17 AM Reply	Re: You think so? Well, I think that his "after" pictures look like the crap that's all been pushed at us as the "perfect ideal" for what people are supposed to look like for a long time. To that end, he knows his craft. I think even you would have a hard time denying that. In most cases, the original picture needed some touching up -- if they were to be used as model shots (which I assume was the original intent here.) As pictures of "normal people" however, the originals were fine. -YendorMike "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Post #242,827 by Another Scott 1/28/06 7:15:59 AM Reply	The "improvements" do look too perfect to me. No wonder so many young women are morose about their appearance. :-( Adjusting the color slightly is fine, but stretching or shrinking skin is going a bit too far. Plus, he makes the skin-tone too uniform on many of them. As Yen said, he does amazing things. But they don't look like people when he's done, IMO. Thanks for the linky. Cheers, Scott.
Post #242,834 by bionerd 1/28/06 9:29:36 AM Reply	I was just thinking that every woman needs to see these pics Stomachs flatten, cellulite disappears, breasts get bigger, skin gets smoother, even the wrinkles on clothing vanish. And this is the impossible ideal women are supposed to aspire to? What a cruel joke. Follow your MOUSE
Post #242,858 by Andrew Grygus 1/28/06 12:03:11 PM Reply	Well, don't you go blaming us now . . . . . this is strictly among you gals and the beauty industry. Think of the the economic impact on whole segments of the industry if just the one phrase "Your normal man doesn't mind celulite nearly as much as you think" were taken to heart - but it's not men you're playing to. From Sex Tips for Girls, Simon & Shuster c 1983. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #242,867 by bionerd 1/28/06 1:57:12 PM Reply	Gaaahhh- I promised myself.. I wouldnt do this with you anymore. Why do you have such a way of getting under my skin?? Did you hear me blame men? Nope. But since you brought it up... Take Playboy magazine. Every woman in that magazine is airbrushed to perfection. Who is the target audience? That magazine satisfies the male fantasy, not the female. Do you think Playboy would have lasted all these years if the bunnies had cellulite and round stomachs and crows feet? Those women are groomed to an unrealistic, siliconic level of flawlessness, right down to the last pubic hair. If you had your choice between Playboy Magazine and Average American Naked Chick Magazine, what would you be thumbing through? Maybe the later, to satisfy your curiosity, but certainly the former to titillate. You grew up learning that Playboy Bunnies are attractive. We all learned this. It's part of our collective consciousness. \t Follow your MOUSE
Post #242,868 by Andrew Grygus 1/28/06 2:25:57 PM 1/28/06 3:07:37 PM Reply	Actually, you're wrong. I'd almost certainly reach for Average American Naked Chick Magazine. The models in Playboy (which I haven't bothered to view an issue of for well over 20 years (but I presume it's still pretty much the same)) seem to me artificial, factory uniform and uninteresting. Magazines like that are for 18 to 24 year olds without enough experience to know better. And if anyone listened to me, every nail parlor in America would be shut with a week. Those ugly painted claws they turn out are disgusting in appearance and debilitating in function. And you probably promised yourself not to get into this with me again because it challenges your basic presumptions and stereotypes. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx] Edited by Andrew Grygus Jan. 28, 2006, 03:07:37 PM EST Expand All History
Post #242,871 by boxley 1/28/06 3:54:14 PM Reply	same here, remember sitting on the beach next to some late 20ish milfs who were staring daggers at a bouncy 17yo in a thong bikini. I would have rather had either of them as nubile young things that are airbrushed are usually airheaded as well. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #242,893 by cforde 1/29/06 1:34:16 AM Reply	one of my favourite lines from Holes... a [link\|http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/0440414806/702-1989496-6506401\|book] made into a [link\|http://imdb.com/title/tt0311289/\|movie], is "Her head's as empty as a flowerpot!". The way Eartha Kitt delivers the line in the movie drips contempt. The book is a fascinating and compelling read. The movie suffers from trying to move the story along too fast. Have fun, Carl Forde
Post #242,911 by bionerd 1/29/06 8:57:35 AM Reply	I'm simply saying We arent immune to our cultural and social influences. They help define who we are. Our culture has a standard for beauty and we internalize it. Follow your MOUSE
Post #242,886 by imqwerky 1/28/06 9:41:55 PM Reply	Ok, I just can't help myself... taken from "Young Doctors in Love": "Sounds like you're falling in love to me" (busting out laughing) Hoo Haaa! Amy "It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
Post #242,888 by Andrew Grygus 1/28/06 10:43:21 PM Reply	If Ms. Bio thought I was falling in love with her . . . . . she'd be Googling under "R" for "Restraining Orders". If she though she was falling in love with me she'd be Googling under "C" for "Convents". [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #242,890 by boxley 1/28/06 11:07:41 PM Reply	you mispelled cirrosis Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #242,892 by Yendor 1/29/06 12:10:17 AM Reply	And you misspelled... ...[link\|http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=cirrhosis\|cirrhosis]. -YendorMike "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Post #242,912 by bionerd 1/29/06 9:00:54 AM Reply	Is that so? And what would you be googling? Follow your MOUSE
Post #242,913 by jbrabeck 1/29/06 9:05:43 AM Reply	Travelocity for connections? A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
Post #242,926 by ben_tilly 1/29/06 1:37:27 PM Reply	I'd guess [link\|http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/sextips/\|http://www.catb.org/...writings/sextips/] Suggestion made completely tongue in cheek. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #242,828 by Andrew Grygus 1/28/06 7:21:19 AM Reply	Errr . . . yea, but . . Don't you need a medical license to do that many tummy tucks? The subject matter all looked plastic to start with, so the finished product looking like plastic is no surprise. Guys with fantasies for women like those have serious reality issues, and so does any woman who wants to look like that. It's amazing you can display that much bare flesh without looking sexy. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #242,874 by bionerd 1/28/06 4:08:14 PM Reply	Okay then. I stand corrected. And for the record, I have never had a manicure in my life. Follow your MOUSE
Post #242,878 by Andrew Grygus 1/28/06 5:42:39 PM Reply	I would not have expected you to have . . . . . considering your general attitude and occupations. As I've said before, there's no way I'm going to let you try to pass for "women in general" but even with "women in general" I think the excessively manicured are a small but very noticeable minority. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #242,895 by cforde 1/29/06 1:45:47 AM Reply	plastic, that's the word all surface and no texture. It's disquieting to me to look at some of those pictures 'cause they don't look quite right, but I've seem this somewhere before. Your comment made me realize where: girls' dolls. Plastic, smooth, exaggerated, flat colour. No wonder girls grow up wanting to look like that. It's what they've admiring all their lives. Now guys like this are just giving them what they want... Have fun, Carl Forde
Post #242,924 by jb4 1/29/06 12:35:09 PM Reply	ICLRPD (new thread) Created as new thread #242923 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=242923\|ICLRPD] jb4 "Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'." &mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
Post #242,833 by jbrabeck 1/28/06 9:22:31 AM Reply	only a couple were improvements I prefered the original in the vast majority. Contrast was adjusted way too high. Skin looks like a paint job. He'd fail if I were the judge of his work. A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
Post #242,841 by Andrew Grygus 1/28/06 10:24:35 AM Reply	Hell, I often prefer the "before" pictures . . . . . in diet ads. The "after" tends to look forced and unnatural. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #242,865 by JayMehaffey 1/28/06 12:44:33 PM Reply	Re: retouching They mostly look like they have been cleaned up beyond what any human can achive. The only part I saw that looked odd to me where his skin color choices, which where bordering on orange in some cases. Other then that, they just had the typical magazine cover, every detail photoshopped to abstract perfection look. Jay
Post #242,894 by Ashton 1/29/06 1:37:34 AM Reply	The second one from 'Start' gives the formula and as has been noted - he runs it through the callow-yout filter to make a caricature/comic. To my eye, the contours of #2 are as ~Natural as could ever er, happen in 'nature'. After: juvenile fantasy cartoon; USA-Puritan targeted. (More is always Better; more of the Forbidden? Not priceless - Costly.) This one pic sez it all. I recall reading a roue of the 19th century, referring to 'plastic beauty' and his disenchantment with same - long before plastics! was whispered into a certain guy's ear on a big screen. I thought his remark prescient and a reminder that that word has been around a lot longer than the materials (and I suppose, in context with his other observations - the quip was intended as his subtle and general critique of the tawdriness of the Popular. Le plus s\ufffd change deja yada..)

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