Post #238,612
12/20/05 9:38:18 AM
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Andrew, my darling...
You really dont believe all that rubbish, do you? Gender aside, why would anyone be attracted to someone who is mean, manipulative and disinterested? Would you be interested in someone like that? Seriously? Why do you think a woman would? I dont know what articles you're reading, or who you're listening to, but this position you're taking on women is so wrong it couldnt be any more wrong. Geez Louise.
Turning into an asshole will not get you a woman. It will only make you an asshole.
And I'll tell you what, if men really think women want jerks, then I'm better off alone. I'd much rather go through life by my lonesome than with a jerk.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #238,622
12/20/05 10:57:06 AM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #238621 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=238621|ICLRPD]
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Post #238,623
12/20/05 11:10:25 AM
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Aww come-on . . .
. . you know I'm only a little serious about becoming a jerk.
On the other hand, studying jerk techniques may be of practical application - because they seem rather effective.
For instance, the guys I know (clients mainly) who are married to the most beautiful women, do not hesitate to slap their wives into place (verbally) early, often and publicly. Since these women are attractive enough to have select the man they wanted, is that not evidence this behavior is desirable to women?
How much evidence do I need to ignore here?
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Post #238,624
12/20/05 11:15:13 AM
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Did they find the man they wanted...
...or the social/financial cachet he represents?
Be sure to check whether they're actually getting their jollies elsewhere before deciding that these women are anything other than superficially attractive.
Peter
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Post #238,630
12/20/05 12:37:38 PM
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I deal with the women too . . .
. . so I know they're competent and of good quality. Thinking otherwise would be just trying to find excuses.
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Post #238,654
12/20/05 3:37:58 PM
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All of it. Ignore all of it.
What kind of people live out there? It must be a different breed, because that crap doesnt fly out here.
And yes, I know you are only a little serious. Just dont let the cynicism take over. Dont go over to the dark side.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #238,664
12/20/05 4:00:00 PM
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*grin*
Because he sees the *POWER* of the Dark Side?
*ducks*
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #238,719
12/20/05 10:34:30 PM
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Re: All of it. Ignore all of it.
It's all supposed to be "Faith Based" then?
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Post #238,721
12/20/05 10:39:36 PM
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Oh bull
Use the pieces that are useful.
Get into the game.
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Post #238,729
12/21/05 12:36:52 AM
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Oh, I don't want to actually . . .
become a jerk, but if learning to play one on TV gets the job done I'm willing to learn.
I tried the "faith based" approach to women you recommend for a long time and it only got me brushed off. Women say they want a nice guy and can't find one, and they may even be telling the truth - nice guys may actually be invisible to single women.
Now I'm not completely without experience on the other side either. The only women who ever chased after me (and a couple with persistence) were ones I treated badly because I thought them not what I was looking for.
Sometimes I've wondered if perhaps I should have just trapped one of those and made her my sex slave. She probably would have been happy enough with that but I expect I'd have gotten bored - what I really wanted was a highly intelligent lady with perhaps some artistic talent - but they all married overweight mortgage loan brokers.
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Post #238,735
12/21/05 7:10:00 AM
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My ex-fiance says
that ladies are often attracted to men they can't have, or shouldn't have. Forbidden fruit, and all that. Your (and my) experience seems to confirm that.
I dunno - feigned disinterest in the romantic side of things might just be the ticket. Of course, then you'd have to develop a sense of timing as to when to drop the disinterest. A decent 'mating display' is important, too, I think. You have to give the impression of being a good catch... That means the trappings of wealth, and/or good health.
I'm still working on the last bit, myself.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #238,795
12/21/05 1:48:57 PM
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And there, of course, lies a problem.
It isn't that I can't afford trapings of wealth (those who can't manage to fake it anyway), it's just that I'm not at all interested in them. This puts a crimp in presenting the mating display proven most effective.
I'll just have to learn to insinuate that there's plenty of money and that I just don't know how to spend it - that'd probably get 'em lubed.
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Post #238,798
12/21/05 1:58:30 PM
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fiance, eh?
I never knew you had your bread buttered on the other side.
Peter
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Post #238,801
12/21/05 2:18:13 PM
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Yeah, yeah - so I dropped the extra e.
What, do you think I can spell as well as CRC or something?
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #238,845
12/21/05 5:02:59 PM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #238844 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=238844|ICLRPD]
jb4
shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #238,629
12/20/05 12:07:49 PM
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Being a jerk certainly doesn't seem to be a turn-off
for many women, Bio. Being a nice guy doesn't attract many women, either. Don't just pooh-pooh this perception; jerks have no problem being deceptive and manipulative, because being a jerk ISN'T an immediate turn-off, jerks get more 'shots' than nice guys.
It's just the way things are.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #238,631
12/20/05 12:39:11 PM
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It is also necessary . . .
. . to ignore what women say and watch instead what they do. There is little connection between the two, and it's what they do that matters.
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Post #238,657
12/20/05 3:45:11 PM
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Bull.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #238,720
12/20/05 10:35:26 PM
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Well, I'm glad to see you're feeling better.
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Post #239,015
12/22/05 4:20:15 PM
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I wish.
It came back with a vengeance. I've spent the past 24 hours sleeping on the bathroom floor.
I'm too exhausted to argue anymore. You wont hear another word from me on this topic. You win.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #239,018
12/22/05 4:24:30 PM
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Hang in there, L. Drink ginger ale if you can - often helps.
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Post #239,019
12/22/05 4:28:24 PM
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Have been.
It's the only thing that stays down. :-(
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Post #239,051
12/22/05 7:19:41 PM
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But, but, but . . .
. . you know I didn't really want to win, but with BioNerd out of action what can I do now? Who will save me?
I hope for your speedy recovery. I'll light another candle for you (the last one burned out just about the time of your relapse - I thought you'd be over this by now).
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Post #239,057
12/22/05 8:19:29 PM
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You may have won the battle
but the war's not over. I'm not giving up on you or your misguided, lovelorn soul.
Keep the candles burning, maybe do a little dance, too.
I'll do the same for you.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #239,083
12/22/05 11:00:04 PM
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No no no. It's Ashton who does the dance. cha cha cha.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #239,098
12/23/05 12:00:58 AM
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Ya, but . . .
. . I got me shaman drum here and I'll play it a tune for the Bio - but I ain't gett'n down me Siberian shaman outfit with the wrought iron bones an do a dance unless she says it's real serious (that sucker's heavy an' a bit warm in a SoCal winter). Last thing I want though, is ta drum 'er into the land of the dead - so hey Bio - be well!
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Post #239,146
12/23/05 8:36:55 AM
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No need for the suit
Just light up a wicker man in the yard and have at it.
And when I'm feeling better I'll dance for your soul with my scarves in the moonlight. The dance is probably best done naked, but it's way too cold for that. I think it will still be effective with a parka and boots. We shall see.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #239,185
12/23/05 11:13:37 AM
12/23/05 12:57:35 PM
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Well, I got out the drum and did a few . . .
. . patterns for you. Unfortunately, the only image of you I had fresh in mind was your Halloween picture, so if you get an excomunication letter from the Pope, that's probably how it came about.
Oh well, at least in my mind you were smiling.
Photo Removed by Request of copyright holder
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Post #239,209
12/23/05 12:31:02 PM
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I am so *pretty*
Get rid of that picture, would ya?
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Post #239,216
12/23/05 1:03:38 PM
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Done - but . . .
. . since you've alread seen it it won't be deleted from your browser cache for awhile.
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Post #239,186
12/23/05 11:13:50 AM
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yabut
the cold would ensure the fast rendition.... :-)
You're beginning to sound like yourself again. Welcome back to the land of the healthy.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #239,097
12/22/05 11:56:19 PM
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Those are her words, but what are her actions?
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Post #239,112
12/23/05 3:10:14 AM
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That will be revealed in the fullness of time . . .
. . but when a woman's out to reform a man you can bet it doesn't include conceding many battles.
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Post #239,147
12/23/05 8:38:50 AM
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oh ye of little faith...
If ya'll think acting like jerks is the way to go, I'll keep my mouth shut on the topic. There are lots of other ways to reform Andrew, anyway.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #239,154
12/23/05 8:44:55 AM
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"Jerks get all the girls"
The battle-cry of the single man, I wot.
Peter
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Post #239,207
12/23/05 12:20:11 PM
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Geez, bio
I don't see Andrew doing that anyway. _I_ think he'd prefer to find a girl he doesn't have to be a jerk to.
I think MOST single 'nice guys' have to get over the nice-guy/jerk thing. I don't think either one is related to attracting a woman (except obliquely, as I said before). It's taken a lot of 'counselling' from my female friends for me to reach that conclusion.
I do have more than a few female friends, and I've had to console them SO many times about the jerks they were dating... (three of them have found really nice guys woth their time now, btw - all meeting their guys in really unusual circumstance, only one of them not actively looking) It's hard not to see jerks as having an advantage - I used to be very bitter about the subject myself. So much so I pretty much gave up on that part of my life for a long time. They are very frank with me now; they are actively trying to help me rather commiserating. I really am hoping to figure out what's what - so far it seems a 'mating display' of wealth and/or health (and/or) fitness is primary.
Next I've come to the conclusion that it's the ability to engage the lady personally. That can be intellectually, socially, or physically (dancing, etc.) - and the engagement is what counts, not necessarily whether the engagement is good or bad (I've had tales or arguments, spills, and lousy dancers - though the good anecdotes outnumber the bad). The more of these things, the better. Looks outside of health/fitness don't seem to matter that much... (I'm personally working on health/fitness, myself. That's something that benefits me anyway).
Being a nice guy doesn't seem to enter the situation. It gets you friends (sometimes very good friends), though, if the 'mating display' is rejected. That isn't a bad thing - but it can feed bitterness.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #239,208
12/23/05 12:28:10 PM
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Ziiiiip
That's the sound of me keeping my mouth shut.
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Post #239,210
12/23/05 12:31:30 PM
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*shrug*
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #239,064
12/22/05 8:54:29 PM
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I'm sorry to hear that, hope you recover fast
Being sick on Christmas, sucks.
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #239,088
12/22/05 11:23:44 PM
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Hey L, Sorry to hear you are battling the killer bug again.
don't forget crackers and my personal favorite, strained bananas. Yes, as in baby food. Works like a charm. Hope that helps. It's too cold for popsicles, but they work pretty good too.
Hugs,
Amy
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #239,149
12/23/05 8:40:29 AM
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God, Amy, just put the nail in my coffin..
Strained bananas? Just looking at that would... ohhhh....
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Post #239,151
12/23/05 8:42:39 AM
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Drink Guinness.
Peter
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Post #239,156
12/23/05 8:45:45 AM
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bloooorrrggg
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Post #239,170
12/23/05 9:47:29 AM
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Funny. That's what *I* say after about 8 pints or so.
Peter
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Post #239,171
12/23/05 9:51:44 AM
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BRILLIANT!
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #239,361
12/25/05 12:21:31 AM
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sorry :-(
Didn't realize it was that bad. Guess you'll have to stick to Gatorade or (God Forbid) Pedialyte (although I've heard they've made it taste better)
I hope you are better soon. It's good to see you posting again at least.
Hugs,
Amy
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #239,374
12/25/05 2:53:14 AM
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remember cognac for chest whiskey for head
colds and rum for general health and well being vitamins so to speak.
thanx,
bill
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Post #239,153
12/23/05 8:44:43 AM
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Whatever happened to chicken soup? :)
Alex
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #239,188
12/23/05 11:21:48 AM
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You need to know which soul....
Chicken soup for the [link|http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1558744630/qid=1135354688/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-2389363-3240720?n=507846&s=books&v=glance|teenage soul]
Chicken soup for the [link|http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0757303137/qid=1135354706/sr=8-3/ref=pd_bbs_3/104-2389363-3240720?n=507846&s=books&v=glance|girl's soul]
Chicken soup for the [link|http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0757303285/qid=1135354787/sr=8-5/ref=pd_bbs_5/104-2389363-3240720?n=507846&s=books&v=glance|Grandma's soul]
Chicken soup for [link|http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0757302483/ref=pd_bxgy_text_b/104-2389363-3240720?%5Fencoding=UTF8|Every Mom's soul]
and on and on.
Too many varieties of chicken soup to choose from....
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #239,195
12/23/05 11:36:17 AM
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Well, I figure 'Chicken Soup for the Chicken's Soul' . . .
. . is really the way to go.
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Post #239,187
12/23/05 11:16:54 AM
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what do you mean "too cold for popsicles"?
Why we even keep the DQs open year round. It does seem a little strange walking up to the DQ window and ordering a Blizzard when it's -20F.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #239,132
12/23/05 7:17:18 AM
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Only one suggestion -
Do Not make / help make any. Snow(wo)men. Angels. No matter What. Y'hear?
Stay warm.. there may be some good come of, umm not being expected to do ___ (all that stuff? y'know? ;-)
Cheers,
moi
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Post #239,143
12/23/05 8:31:36 AM
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Its not the snow angels I'm worried about
It's 2 days before Christmas and I dont have a thing ready. I woke up this morning feeling a wee bit better. Am drinking tea and catching up on some work now before the kids get up.
Guess we'll make due with what I can throw together. As long as there are cookies out for Santa tomorrow night and presents under the tree the next morning, my kids will be happy.
Fa la la, ya'll.
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Post #239,169
12/23/05 9:44:51 AM
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Like I told my wife yesterday
That's the great thing about Christmas and pregnancy. No matter how not-ready you think you are, it's going to show up when it wants to anyway.
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Post #239,230
12/23/05 2:09:43 PM
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Is there a reason?
That you're talking with your wife about the merits of pregnancy?
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #239,235
12/23/05 2:19:38 PM
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Just that we've had this discussion before
She was saying last night that she was totally unprepared for Chrfistmas. I said, "Remember when you were pregnant the first time? And you said you weren't ready for it? Well this is just like that. It doesn't matter if you're ready, it's going to happen in its own time anyway."
Some people act like if they don't get all the cookies baked and all the gifts bought and wrapped and the tree cut down and the lights put up and and and and and ... that Christmas will decide to not come in a fit of pique.
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Post #239,240
12/23/05 2:36:18 PM
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Ah. I thought it might have been something else.
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #239,244
12/23/05 3:09:52 PM
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Had same thoughts, especially since my sdaughter's news..
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #238,656
12/20/05 3:44:03 PM
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Who are you going to snag by being a jerk?
A jerkette.
I dont buy your theory. Call me naive, but I still believe the nice guy can and will get the girl.
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Post #238,663
12/20/05 3:58:26 PM
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I didn't say that.
I said that being a jerk or being nice is irrelevant to ATTRACTING a girl (not keeping a girl - that's different) - but that jerks have an advantage - they don't care about what affect getting the girl is going to have on the girl, other girls they may be dating, children, family, whatever. They also have no problem with lies and deceit. Because of this they get more shots.
And again, that's just the way it is.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #238,638
12/20/05 1:25:43 PM
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Being the right kind of jerk apparently works on you
Here's some food for thought:
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=209178|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=209178]
Perhaps you don't think a guy is being a jerk when he screws a woman who accepts that she can't really have him. Perhaps you think that it is OK to regularly leave someone thinking, "What the hell am I thinking?"
If you think that, then we can simplify this conversation a lot. Andrew, stop using the word "jerk" so freely. Bionerd thinks it means something different than you do.
If you don't think that, then at least one jerk out there seems to be able to take you out for a spin whenever he wants. And I'm willing to bet that you're not the only woman he does that with.
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #238,640
12/20/05 2:02:31 PM
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Well, someone's clearly in the holiday spirit
That holiday being Festivus. We seem to have commenced with the Airing of Grievances. When do the Feats of Strength start?
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Post #238,643
12/20/05 2:50:18 PM
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Thank you. :-D
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Post #238,644
12/20/05 2:53:24 PM
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is that before or after jerking the chain?
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #238,675
12/20/05 4:58:07 PM
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Right after...
bionerd says that she wants a Neanderthal, and people start trying to impress her. ;-)
But you're right. I did go overboard. I shouldn't have made my post that personal. I'm sorry for having done so.
However I still think it obvious that guys who are successful with women tend to be jerks. Cause and effect is not so obvious, but the correlation is clear.
A note about cause and effect in this case. Most here seem to believe that jerks have an advantage with women. But cause could easily go the other way: if you have easy success with women, you have less incentive to pay attention to their feelings. And the relationship might be very indirect. For instance practice makes perfect. So men who are really good at picking up women are likely to be men who have done a lot of it. Which gives jerks an advantage, because they keep picking up women after they've already succeeded.
But whatever the cause, we've all seen the result. There are a lot of jerks who are unreasonably successful with women.
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #238,646
12/20/05 2:58:05 PM
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Of course, you did marry a jerk
So perhaps it only works up to a certain age/level of experience.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #238,706
12/20/05 7:41:17 PM
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Doesn't matter
There's always fresh meat.
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Post #238,718
12/20/05 10:25:28 PM
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Unavoidable - the \ufffdber-Jerks are in Stealth mode the longest
It is no shame to have been less than paranoid in advancing some trust (that 'cure'.. can be worse than the disease, later to be fended off.)
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Post #239,017
12/22/05 4:24:02 PM
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Of course, if you had been more persistant
perhaps I wouldnt have. Lot of help you were.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #239,133
12/23/05 7:19:55 AM
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+3: Innovation!___;^>
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