May the Bird of Paradise

Post #23,798 by Ashton 1/10/02 4:37:15 PM Reply	May the Bird of Paradise fly up your nose, clear out all the noxious odors of recent proximity to Evil.. and find you a site that reeks less. Lighting candle, Ashton
Post #23,826 by inthane-chan 1/10/02 6:11:08 PM Reply	Well, I've got a nibble... [link\|http://www.oz.net/~inthane/thejob.txt\|Read all about it.] I wouldn't exactly say it's the bird of Paradise, but it's a dev position (VB! Icky!) and it's entry level, AND it pays more than my current position. I especially worry about this line: "Also no Microsoft haters please, I just don't have the time." To be honest, my VB ain't THAT good - I'll have to install it and brush up. "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Post #23,840 by broomberg 1/10/02 10:36:05 PM Reply	Go fer it > I especially worry about this line: >"Also no Microsoft haters please, I just don't have the time." C'mon. You are straight from the belly of the beast. You've already proven that you can deal with it. And for a small development/support shop, they LOVE M$ trash, because it ensures ongoing support $. So let them pay you for a while. And do a slow education on how much more money they can make, supplying the same apps via a Linux/PostgreSQL platform. Can you do the asp page he is describing? It is now the 10th. You should have it done by Sunday, and in his email 1st thing Monday. Immediately call with a follow up. Keep it simple. This sounds like 20 lines of code, if that. Initialize ado object. Issue simple sql select, like: select count(product_id), sum(qty), sum(dollar_amt) from north_wind_table_whatever group by product_id order by sum(qty) desc; loop through the 1st 10, spitting them out. If you feel fancy, add final totals, but keep in mind that is NOT what he asked for, comment the code to that effect. Make sure you close the object. Note: I've done NO ADO coding, so all this is total bullshit, but I think it's how it should work. Comment well, but don't comment things like 'Open ADO object ado.open(sdsdsd). Redundant comments are annoying. Comment based on business rules, ie: why the code is here, and what results are expected. Make sure you check for errors. Missing error checking is the kiss of death, and a sure sign of a novice worthless coder. All the other questions are easily researched if you don't already know.
Post #23,854 by nking 1/10/02 11:56:12 PM Reply	Go for it I could do that in my sleep, but any job is better than no job. Just be glad that you don't have to work for lawyers. ASP and VB programming does not taint your soul, much. Just make sure that you do not become a Microsoft Robot like I used to be before you guys wised me up. :) "In order to completely solve a problem, you must make sure that the root of the problem is completely removed! If you leave the root, the problem will come back later to get you." - Norman King
Post #23,856 by wharris2 1/11/02 12:17:22 AM Reply	Gotta admit a VB job is better than no job. Don't get too good at it; I've seen several people get locked into VB applications and dang if they're going to be able to do anything else without going to another employer. "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it." -- Donald Knuth
Post #23,918 by nking 1/11/02 12:49:59 PM Reply	Join the ranks of the VB Zombies Apparently I am a VB Zombie, going from employer to employer looking for a new job. They only thing they are interested in are my VB and ASP skills. Can I write programs using Microsoft technologies, of course I can! Learning/knowing Java and C++ would be good, but these jobs do not require them. :( "In order to completely solve a problem, you must make sure that the root of the problem is completely removed! If you leave the root, the problem will come back later to get you." - Norman King
Post #23,882 by boxley 1/11/02 9:00:20 AM Reply	I actually like the $MS line Shows he doesnt have time for non-professionals. This is the job, I will tell you how I want it done, go forth and do it and I will pay you 50k. thanx, bill My Dreams aren't as empty as my conscience seems to be
Post #23,919 by nking 1/11/02 12:53:06 PM Reply	I just got fired from a job like that They tell me how they want it done, and then I do it. They always have last minute changes that slow things down, and then they ask me why it is taking so long? We only gave you 20 more changes to the program 15 minutes before it was due, why is it taking longer to get done? Of course they also wonder why the other people they hired to do the job before had quit after being on the job for a short time. Getting rid of me was a mistake, because they cannot keep other people there for the job. At least I stayed there for four and a half years, unlike the short-timers. "In order to completely solve a problem, you must make sure that the root of the problem is completely removed! If you leave the root, the problem will come back later to get you." - Norman King
Post #24,000 by tseliot 1/12/02 1:59:56 AM Reply	Hooray! It's not in Tacoma! :D Sorry you got sideswiped, though. ~~Ballmer~~ I mean, Bummer. :( --------------------------------- A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly by the chain of their own ideas;...despair and time eat away the bonds of iron and steel, but they are powerless against the habitual union of ideas, they can only tighten it still more; and on the soft fibres of the brain is founded the unshakable base of the soundest of Empires." Jacques Servan, 1767

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