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Post #237,714

by pwhysall

12/12/05 6:36:57 AM

I'm still not getting the connection...

...between psychology and ID.

Apart from the fact that you're constructing a logical equivalence whereby if psychology is a science, then ID is too.

Post #237,715

by imric

12/12/05 7:07:51 AM

Negative.

It's not that he's saying that "if psychology is a science, ID is one too" - he's saying that my arguments against ID as a science also argue against psychology. Not the same thing at all.

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Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.

Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.

Post #237,716

by pwhysall

12/12/05 7:10:47 AM

OK...

...but why are we talking about psychology at all?

Or should this thread have branched some time ago?

Post #237,717

by imric

12/12/05 7:13:28 AM

OT branch

was "Psychology is FREUD" - not TOO far back...

Imric's Tips for Living

Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.

Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.

Post #237,718

by pwhysall

12/12/05 7:17:11 AM

Damn Scientologists

Every time I see "OT" I think "Operating Thetan".

Bah!

Post #237,719

by imric

12/12/05 7:25:59 AM

ROFL!

Imric's Tips for Living

Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.

Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.

Post #237,728

by drewk

12/12/05 10:01:12 AM

Anyone catch "Last Laugh 2005" over the weekend?

It was Comedy Central's year-end show. Andy Dick did a sketch as the wedding planner for Tom Cruise and what's-her-name's wedding. Poked many sharp sticks at Scientology. I'm guessing Andy won't be on the guest list.

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Post #237,730

by bepatient

12/12/05 10:10:54 AM

Yep.

Couple of shots at Tom Cruise too.

Funny stuff.

Bring back Ron Reagan. That'll scare them!

If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition}

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Post #237,733

by hnick

12/12/05 10:43:53 AM

Ronnie, walking around, would scare me too...

That boy's dead...

Post #237,737

by ben_tilly

12/12/05 11:44:56 AM

ICLRPD (new thread)

Created as new thread #237736 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=237736|ICLRPD]

I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)

If you think being anti-OOP is controversial.... - (tablizer) - (113) - Dec. 3, 2005, 11:19:25 PM EST

well that pretty much sinks ID :-) - (boxley) - (100) - Dec. 3, 2005, 11:34:40 PM EST

No, it is not a "soft" science - (ben_tilly) - (74) - Dec. 4, 2005, 05:05:19 AM EST

it is a philosophy, noted soft science much like psychology - (boxley) - (73) - Dec. 4, 2005, 10:06:58 AM EST

how about theology. -NT - (bepatient) - (1) - Dec. 4, 2005, 10:27:23 AM EST

subscience of philosophy -NT - (boxley) - Dec. 4, 2005, 10:28:26 AM EST

No, it isn't. - (pwhysall) - (20) - Dec. 4, 2005, 10:40:23 AM EST

Is sociology a science? -NT - (bepatient) - (2) - Dec. 4, 2005, 10:56:23 AM EST

In places, yes. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Dec. 4, 2005, 11:01:31 AM EST

In part it is the same methodology - (bepatient) - Dec. 4, 2005, 01:31:50 PM EST

point out differences between the examples - (boxley) - (16) - Dec. 4, 2005, 01:33:57 PM EST

ID starts with a creator. - (pwhysall) - (15) - Dec. 4, 2005, 01:58:25 PM EST

Not really - (bepatient) - (14) - Dec. 4, 2005, 07:44:12 PM EST

And how is that not creationism? - (pwhysall) - (13) - Dec. 5, 2005, 01:26:12 AM EST

No. Well, sorta. - (drewk) - (4) - Dec. 5, 2005, 09:22:03 AM EST

How is a designer not a creator? -NT - (pwhysall) - (2) - Dec. 7, 2005, 03:33:23 PM EST

If the universe designed itself in a fit of recursion -NT - (ChrisR) - Dec. 7, 2005, 03:52:40 PM EST

That's what ID people say, and why I didn't say it - (drewk) - Dec. 7, 2005, 07:13:54 PM EST

Re: No. Well, sorta. - (danreck) - Dec. 8, 2005, 05:11:29 PM EST

Minor difference - (bepatient) - (7) - Dec. 5, 2005, 03:52:31 PM EST

Same difference - (Silverlock) - (6) - Dec. 5, 2005, 04:44:56 PM EST

No again - (bepatient) - (5) - Dec. 5, 2005, 09:02:50 PM EST

No again - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Dec. 5, 2005, 10:08:02 PM EST

Sturgeon? -NT - (jake123) - Dec. 5, 2005, 11:13:40 PM EST

(Could be fun - with chromosomes.) -NT - (Ashton) - Dec. 5, 2005, 11:36:47 PM EST

If there is significance to the variable names, then - (jbrabeck) - (1) - Dec. 7, 2005, 03:57:54 PM EST

It's fun seeing people guess but... - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 7, 2005, 04:19:28 PM EST

I feel that the other examples are not sciences either - (ben_tilly) - (48) - Dec. 4, 2005, 09:39:09 PM EST

Agreed, social science might be a better descriptive - (boxley) - (47) - Dec. 5, 2005, 01:22:41 PM EST

You are right that those are missing... - (ben_tilly) - (46) - Dec. 5, 2005, 10:03:44 PM EST

Not interested enough to read the literature :-) - (boxley) - (45) - Dec. 6, 2005, 09:38:58 AM EST

Thats the issue - (bepatient) - (44) - Dec. 6, 2005, 11:34:33 AM EST

Can ID be experimentally disproven? - (imric) - (43) - Dec. 6, 2005, 12:02:26 PM EST

disagree - (boxley) - (31) - Dec. 6, 2005, 12:05:20 PM EST

Don't think so. - (imric) - (30) - Dec. 6, 2005, 12:15:29 PM EST

if you can predict results from the patterns then - (boxley) - (29) - Dec. 6, 2005, 12:48:17 PM EST

Nope. That's just genetics. ID is not genetics. - (imric) - (28) - Dec. 6, 2005, 12:57:23 PM EST

Q for ID-ers: How I is the D of, say, flightless birds? -NT - (Meerkat) - (27) - Dec. 6, 2005, 03:54:07 PM EST

I always use hemroids. - (Andrew Grygus) - Dec. 6, 2005, 04:13:35 PM EST

gotta have something easy to catch and consume - (boxley) - Dec. 6, 2005, 05:51:33 PM EST

Intelligent Design is a dead give away... - (ChrisR) - (2) - Dec. 6, 2005, 08:46:36 PM EST

Don't forget the other moral of the example you are quoting - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Dec. 6, 2005, 10:23:29 PM EST

Or even - - (Ashton) - Dec. 7, 2005, 07:44:29 PM EST

HD - Halfwit Design - (tablizer) - (21) - Dec. 10, 2005, 11:07:56 PM EST

ID is supernatural by definition - (pwhysall) - (20) - Dec. 11, 2005, 02:08:17 AM EST

That's just a fortunate side effect. -NT - (drewk) - (6) - Dec. 11, 2005, 02:10:43 AM EST

Not it's not. - (jake123) - (5) - Dec. 11, 2005, 08:11:12 AM EST

I see I need to expand my Ministry. - (pwhysall) - (4) - Dec. 11, 2005, 10:39:16 AM EST

I beleive he did, parts stamped made in mexico -NT - (boxley) - (2) - Dec. 11, 2005, 10:40:35 AM EST

That would be where every third guy is named Jesus? - (hnick) - Dec. 11, 2005, 10:44:34 AM EST

Philistine. -NT - (pwhysall) - Dec. 11, 2005, 10:59:30 AM EST

Damn! You mean Janis Joplin was RIGHT?!? -NT - (jb4) - Dec. 12, 2005, 01:37:23 PM EST

Creator need not be supernatural. May be ultra-tech aliens. -NT - (warmachine) - (11) - Dec. 11, 2005, 09:48:38 AM EST

And they were 'designed' to produce us, of course... -NT - (imric) - (10) - Dec. 11, 2005, 09:51:18 AM EST

ID makes no assertian of the designer, designed or not. - (warmachine) - (9) - Dec. 11, 2005, 01:56:48 PM EST

Except it's basic tenet . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Dec. 11, 2005, 02:08:28 PM EST

That's an extrapolation of ID itself, not a basic tenet. - (warmachine) - Dec. 11, 2005, 05:26:30 PM EST

Here's you task for today, grasshopper: - (jb4) - (6) - Dec. 12, 2005, 01:41:33 PM EST

You forgot: bring a bodyguard - - (Ashton) - (5) - Dec. 12, 2005, 06:18:23 PM EST

What does the Prince of Peace have to do with ID? - (jb4) - (4) - Dec. 12, 2005, 06:27:24 PM EST

Nothing at all - we're talking GOD here . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Dec. 12, 2005, 06:32:10 PM EST

Heard a lengthy discussion re Yahweh - - (Ashton) - (2) - Dec. 12, 2005, 08:17:17 PM EST

look it doesnt apply to you gentiles, its a realestate - (boxley) - (1) - Dec. 12, 2005, 08:52:42 PM EST

DPRLCI (new thread) - (Another Scott) - Dec. 12, 2005, 08:57:01 PM EST

Nothing wrong with a creator - (hnick) - Dec. 11, 2005, 10:05:27 AM EST

Post of the Week (and it's only Tuesday...)! - (jb4) - Dec. 6, 2005, 02:27:07 PM EST

Falsifiable, Trueifiable - (tablizer) - (9) - Dec. 10, 2005, 11:03:20 PM EST

Patterns... Pattern institute? - (imric) - (8) - Dec. 11, 2005, 01:47:07 AM EST

fairies exist, saw one once - (boxley) - (7) - Dec. 11, 2005, 10:23:01 AM EST

heh, knew where that was going -NT - (bepatient) - Dec. 11, 2005, 10:23:59 AM EST

So the teacher asks the kid - (hnick) - Dec. 11, 2005, 10:31:25 AM EST

They wear boots - ya gotta believe... -NT - (imric) - (3) - Dec. 11, 2005, 04:22:52 PM EST

I saw it I saw it with my own two eyes -NT - (jake123) - (1) - Dec. 11, 2005, 04:52:11 PM EST

Well all right now! -NT - (imric) - Dec. 11, 2005, 05:02:00 PM EST

And around here they ride Harleys. -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - Dec. 11, 2005, 04:56:43 PM EST

Me too...I watch Bravo.... -NT - (jb4) - Dec. 12, 2005, 01:43:15 PM EST

What's in a name? - (ChrisR) - Dec. 5, 2005, 10:03:50 AM EST

Google 'ontological proof of god' for some pithy links - (Ashton) - (4) - Dec. 4, 2005, 05:52:22 AM EST

see my answer to Ben, -NT - (boxley) - (3) - Dec. 4, 2005, 10:08:16 AM EST

Unsatisfying, just word/def'n pandering. - (Ashton) - (2) - Dec. 4, 2005, 07:12:30 PM EST

look, if some mook wants to look at dna - (boxley) - (1) - Dec. 4, 2005, 08:10:25 PM EST

Quite right-enough - (Ashton) - Dec. 4, 2005, 09:09:38 PM EST

Sep. of church/state laws don't govern philosophy - (tablizer) - (19) - Dec. 10, 2005, 10:56:12 PM EST

It's FRAUD if you call it science instead of philosophy. -NT - (imric) - (18) - Dec. 11, 2005, 01:48:21 AM EST

then psychology is fraud -NT - (boxley) - (17) - Dec. 11, 2005, 10:37:53 AM EST

This is news? -NT - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 11, 2005, 12:43:21 PM EST

Soft science. - (imric) - Dec. 11, 2005, 04:59:52 PM EST

That would be "Psychology is FREUD" - (imqwerky) - (14) - Dec. 11, 2005, 09:30:36 PM EST

accuse me? - (boxley) - (12) - Dec. 11, 2005, 11:00:42 PM EST

No, he didn't - (Ashton) - Dec. 12, 2005, 06:33:13 AM EST

I'm still not getting the connection... - (pwhysall) - (9) - Dec. 12, 2005, 06:36:57 AM EST

Negative. - (imric) - (8) - Dec. 12, 2005, 07:07:51 AM EST

OK... - (pwhysall) - (7) - Dec. 12, 2005, 07:10:47 AM EST

OT branch - (imric) - (5) - Dec. 12, 2005, 07:13:28 AM EST

Damn Scientologists - (pwhysall) - (4) - Dec. 12, 2005, 07:17:11 AM EST

ROFL! -NT - (imric) - Dec. 12, 2005, 07:25:59 AM EST

Anyone catch "Last Laugh 2005" over the weekend? - (drewk) - (2) - Dec. 12, 2005, 10:01:12 AM EST

Yep. - (bepatient) - (1) - Dec. 12, 2005, 10:10:54 AM EST

Ronnie, walking around, would scare me too... - (hnick) - Dec. 12, 2005, 10:43:53 AM EST

ICLRPD (new thread) - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 12, 2005, 11:44:56 AM EST

Not accusing you. - (imqwerky) - Dec. 12, 2005, 05:43:18 PM EST

More like: Freud (pronounced: "fraud") - (jb4) - Dec. 12, 2005, 01:32:36 PM EST

Just saying "I think it's science"... - (pwhysall) - (2) - Dec. 4, 2005, 02:59:26 AM EST

ID ain't Physics. It's Meta-Physics. - (ChrisR) - (1) - Dec. 12, 2005, 06:31:15 PM EST

\ufffdPrecisam\ufffdnte! - and before you start in that field - (Ashton) - Dec. 12, 2005, 08:24:44 PM EST

intelligent design: the agenda - (rcareaga) - (5) - Dec. 5, 2005, 09:22:50 PM EST

And around and around.. - (Ashton) - Dec. 5, 2005, 10:02:40 PM EST

300 years after the Enlightenment and we still get this. -NT - (warmachine) - Dec. 6, 2005, 02:43:04 AM EST

This crap pisses me off - (Silverlock) - (2) - Dec. 6, 2005, 02:03:15 PM EST

religion is an opiate for the sociopaths? probably -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Dec. 6, 2005, 03:31:32 PM EST

Not just sociopaths, everybody ;0) - (mmoffitt) - Dec. 7, 2005, 08:47:01 AM EST

I'm not persuaded. 47 kB .img - (Another Scott) - Dec. 6, 2005, 03:45:09 PM EST

God-Man\ufffd explains finally.. how it works - (Ashton) - (1) - Dec. 8, 2005, 03:39:26 AM EST

I like the non sequitor version better - (boxley) - Dec. 8, 2005, 05:49:48 PM EST

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